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  • @LongJohnSilver Busted! I saw a reflection of the Arri Alexa! I was able to zoom and enhanced the footage.

  • Not that I'm saying anything about how promo videos are made and what they are shot with, but I was the actor/camera guy used for Sonys NEX-7 camera promo from last year. I would be VERY VERY VERY surprised if any of this was shot with anything but a red or alexa for video and who knows what they might have used for stills. Just saying. Little surprised as well from the promo itself. I thought the NEX-7 promo was much better but I just might be a little biased here ;)

  • I skipped a few pages so I may have missed the price but I think it was supposed to be in the $1500-$2000.range. Granted the GH3 looks good but....It's still a consumer camera with a consumer warranty and if I add a tad more money I can get a BM.

    I just haven't seen anything earth shaking about it yet.

  • @Sage

    What exactly did VK do to improve DR? Last time I checked he has never done anything to the sensor.

  • I would be shocked if the video samples in that 'cinema' section were from Alexa or Red. We're going to see a Philip Bloom hands on video covering that shoot next week anyway, so it would be an impressive bit of deception for that to have actually been taken with different cameras.

    The Nex-7 promo looked like it was shot with professional cinema cameras. This doesn't.

  • @peternap

    You haven't seen any unedited footage from it yet. If it has vastly "improved DR" like they claim then that would be a nice feature to have.

    As far as price goes I don't believe the GH3 will not be more than $1299 for the body only. That is less than half of what the BM camera will cost right?

  • @Cde

    You are right. There is no way they would do that and risk false advertising claims. The commercial is clearly representing that those photos were made with a GH3.

  • @mpgxsvcd Nothing about those photos looked inconceivable to have been taken with a camera in this class. And on the video side, a high end camera wouldn't display the level of rolling shutter present in the shot of the train speeding past.

  • Indeed VKs work has increased DR. Slight increase to highlights, and a giant leap in the shadows. As to my satisfaction, it is not just with this, but his (and Dwood's) turning the camera into something incredible.

  • if DR was as important as you folks make it out to be then the film industry would just stop buying lighting equipment, throw away their bounce materials and fill their dumpsters full of frost and diffusion and just use natural lighting for everything. You know, because you guys think only maximum DR matters which means that all that lighting equipment that the film industry uses to REDUCE DR doesn't mean anything. Crap. Proper lighting is meant to compress the dynamic range into a range that is easily seen by the eye and by the film and also makes things look interesting as a useful byproduct.

  • Didn't even think to look at that; skew is looking pretty good for an object moving that fast!

  • When its getting released??? lets celebrate the Gh3 with 12-35 x vario and 35-100 vario x lenses!!

  • @svart

    So basically the efforts that Arri put into pushing Dynamic Range in the Alexa means... what?

    I guess that was an interesting post, anyway.

  • What seems really really strange to me is that they have leaked so damn raw video presentation just three days before supposed official release..

  • For those of you that think a major electronics company would not shoot on a different camera that what they are advertising are grossly misinformed. This isn't an opinion. This is a fact.

  • More so that film itself is in the 14 stop of DR. So the argument is a little bit moot. Yes lighting is still very very important because you have to also shape it.

  • @vicharris

    The video stuff in this clearly wasn't shot with an Alexa or Red. Like I said before, look at the rolling shutter in the train shot. Then there's the fact that Philip Bloom and Bruce Logan were given the camera for a test/review shoot and we see some of their shots in the video. It would be quite an elaborate hoax if that footage isn't from the GH3. Not to mention pretty corrupt on Bloom's part. I'm sure this will all be cleared up when the NDA ends and his 'shooting with the GH3' video is released.

    Great straw man though!

  • No, that promo vid was shot with the gh2. (as it´s the only cam available until gh3) ;)

  • Gah, I think I might have seen it in the wild last Saturday. This guy was shooting with a DLSR and tripod on the Brooklyn bridge. I glanced at the camera, didn't recognize it, and then noticed it was some sort of "blacked out" body, with no text or anything on it. I almost stopped to ask what it was, but foot traffic on the bridge is crazy.

  • @Cde My last comment was more directed towards the thoughts that no company would do such a thing. That's just plain silly to think that way. I've seen footage shot on a red and messed with in post to look like a less cameras footage. You never know what happens when they film these things. OS not 100%, camera failure. I've seen it. We'll see when the finised version comes out. I've seen many industry professionals fooled by this. Not saying it's cool, just saying.

  • @vicharris Oh, I have no doubt that sort of thing goes on. I just think in this case the footage (at least the video clips at the end) is actually from this camera, for a number of reasons. We'll see when they release the short film and accompanying footage, though!

    In contrast to the Nex 7 video you were in (or the Nokia IS demo video), I believe this was genuinely shot with the A99:

  • @svart @kholi

    Hollywood lighting techniques were perfected in the film era and are optimized to make the most of the physical properties of film media. Digital image sensors differ from film in at least two important ways:

    • Film responds logarithmically to light as does the human eye; image sensors respond linearly.

    • Film preserves color data in analog detail; image sensors are digitized with coarse quantization.

    The RGBG photocells in the GH2's image sensor are digitized to 12-bit precision in the camera's RAW still photo files. As with all digital sensors, this linear 12-bit range must be scaled by a logarithmic gamma curve to make the results look natural to the human eye. Image editors that work directly with RAW color data allow you to manipulate the dynamic range and color balance of the image in its original linear data format, before it's converted into a lower-precision format with a gamma curve that suits the human eye. This can produce image quality that rivals analog film.

    With JPEG and AVCHD encoding, the GH2's 12-bit RAW data is remapped by the Film Mode's gamma curve and compressed down to 8-bit 4:2:0 color depth. While this does not reduce the camera's dynamic range, it degrades the precision of the encoded color data, particularly in near-black shadow details. Image editors that work with 8-bit color data are limited in the extent they can manipulate the dynamic range and color balance of the image without producing unsightly banding and digital quantization effects.

    The "flat" gamma profiles that are popular with high-end cinema cameras produce high-quality results only so long as the image sensor's color data is preserved at near-RAW precision levels. If you attempt to mimic these low-contrast profiles on an 8-bit 4:2:0 camera like the GH2, its low-precision quantization will produce lower quality results than profiles that make use of the full dynamic range of the image sensor. That is the brutal reality of 8-bit color spaces.

    There is one case, however, where reducing the dynamic range of a GH2 video can improve image quality. If you use fill lights to illuminate the shadows, you can boost the level of the darkest details above the coarsely quantized bottom end of the histogram. That will enable the AVCHD encoder to digitize shadow details with far better precision, and post-production grading will reveal much less noise and banding in the shadows. Using fill lighting in this way mimics the ability of cinema cameras to lift the pedestal of their gamma curves and flatten the DR of the recording. Since the GH2 lacks a pedestal adjustment, fill lighting is the best way to achieve this effect.

  • The GH3 is clearly stuck to the hood of the car in the pic link below, however, it looks to me like a G5 might also be stuck onto the trunk. If you look closely it appears to be the silver version with a black grip (though it could also be a sunlight reflection I suppose). I wonder if a G5 was also used in the wide interior shot that shows a bit of blowout on the face/sky when shooting up from the dash, it just looks way too different to be the same camera. I think the graded outdoor shots look fantastic, with very nice highlight roll off. The train shoot looks like it was either graded to make highlights pop or was ETTR. Cannot wait to pre-order this little beast, Panny did exactly what I was hoping they would do to improve upon the GH2 - Make a more solid pro level of chassis, boost DR, add higher 1080 frame rates and a better bit rate right out of the box. This is all very encouraging. Can't wait to see what the remaining surprises will be.

    http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/Bildschirmfoto2012-09-14um133839-1.png

  • Yeah, they could never set that shot up again with another camera. NM.

  • Am i the only one who liked the music in that vid?

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