Thanks, grate post. Its a topic worth investigating, as i see an advantage here.

@endotoxic investigate it and use your creativity in product's box...

this article explain why I am moving out from the bleeding edge and will live a mediocre life from now, work, eat, tv, sleep, work, eat, tv, sleep...

@Ralph_B

LOL.

I suggest to start from http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8611/fear-and-trembling-/p1 for brief introduction to japan corporate culture.

The type of "creativity" I really hate is when some software developers rearrange user interface with every new version. These "creators" deserve to have some straitjacket sessions. Sometimes thinking in the box is good.

interesting topic. it could be argued that the education system and the corporate world) stamps out most people's inherent latent undeveloped repressed creative potential.

and politics and corruption stifles creativity as well. many creative people are stifled and their inventions get suppressed because it upsets the natural order.

How exactly did you quote me? I don't see a quote button anywhere on this forum.

Sorry, but this topic seems really complicated. First off, I don't agree that "we are mostly monkeys" if you're implying that we evolved from monkeys. Are you referring to Darwin here? Because I don't necessarily believe in the evolution theory.

As for the rest of your quote, it's difficult to debate because I'm not quite sure what you mean or where you're getting your facts from. Not sure what "socializing species" means or how you can possibly know how monkeys have behaved for thousands of years. And again, since I don't believe we evolved from monkeys, even if the first part of the argument was correct, I wouldn't see a connection with humans.

Brain size has been dropping? Possibly, but I would be curious to see a reference/study. Also, I would suspect that many factors may contribute to such a phenomenon.

Grabs popcorn, opens beer, puts feet up...

I don't go to the theatre to read a book.

A different way of looking at it: the more risk-averse an environment, the more valuable creativity. It's lauded, even if mostly after-the-fact, because it is difficult and rare.

We are programmed to desensitize to make sense of stimuli. I think about about trying to make sense of today's internet in 1990 when I was plucking about with text-only connection. Or a baby assaulted by color and shape and sound. Consistent re-appraisal of stimuli is against our nature, and yet I consider it a prime component of creativity. It's rare that people seek re-appraisal - in fact I think it's often shown when given the choice we generally sit tight and stay with the status quo, keep our place in the bread line - but if we can tolerate more uncertainty, and have the discipline to do so consistently, who knows?

One thing about creativity - it's free. Time for holiday shopping!

the more risk-averse an environment, the more valuable creativity. It's lauded, even if mostly after-the-fact, because it is difficult and rare.

I want to remind again that all groups and society act as monkeys. Just more advanced. Thing that you call creativity can also be very dangerous for group survival in real life. So, in real life groups try to push out not only "creative" but they also try to push very dumb and asocial types. As both present danger to group existence.

Format Help takes me to a Wikipedia page. WTF!? Too complicated!

Vitaliy wrote: "Theories are based on facts and logic. Not on believes."

But to suggest that theories are based on facts and logic and to accept them blindly is also in itself a "belief". Because many theories are inaccurate/flawed. Some theories may actually be created deliberately for malicious intent (ie to influence humanity's consciousness in a negative way or to hide people from the true nature of reality).

I think the true nature of our origins is still a mystery. There was a science fiction movie that came out recently that suggests we were created by an alien race and they went out on an inter-galactic quest to search for their creators. That's as plausible as saying "we come from monkeys".

But to suggest that theories are based on facts and logic and to accept them blindly is also in itself a "belief". Because many theories are inaccurate/flawed. Some theories may actually be created deliberately for malicious intent.

All true, and this is why I asked to think with your head and read papers and books.

There was a science fiction movie that came out recently that suggests we were created by an alien race and they went out on an inter-galactic quest to search for their creators. That's as plausible as saying "we come from monkeys".

And this is just huge logic flaw. As it can't be "as plausible" because thirst theory is backed by millions of facts and intergalactic creators idea is not backed by even one.

For instance, it´s deeply problematic that an area such as fine art; where renewal (new knowledge) is an absolute condition for any meaningful existence> yet, through market and state influence, what is created / praised is more and more of the same, or baby steps in some direction. Above all, what is desired is some kind of confirmation of ideas in consensus of the art world over breaking ground for art itself.

Are you sure that fine art is so important area? As just very short time ago artists were something like home slaves working for this owners and rich people with their strange requests. As economics were energy lacking they were rare things. Now it is just stream of shitty art as oil and other energy sources allow to exist to all this parasites who state that absolute shit they make is some new word.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

It may or may not be important. More importantly, it represents a part of the foundation of western civilisation construct. You could argue the same about Philosophy f.i. Since a few centuries back very little has happened and both areas struggle to keep up with what is happening in reality.

The point still stands: there is an overall regression in terms of liberties going on (creativity being one) and an increase in efficiencies which are designed to favor a select few.