In other words, this "CEO", assuming the letter is real, is firing employees because he doesn't want to offer "his family here" health insurance -- if they get sick, they're on their on, and he certainly won't pay them if they can't come into work. If that means personal bankruptcy, too bad. So much for "family".

Another CEO might claim that if he has stop dumping lead and cadium in the local river, he'll have to fire 60 employees. Or that if he can't pay half the minimum wage, he'll need to fire 60 employees.

I guess the answer is to let employers do whatever they want, like in the 19th century. Or the way U.S. companies behave today in Mexico -- a dollar a day, no bathroom breaks, and if you're too sick to come to work today, don't bother coming tomorrow. Because otherwise I'll have to fire 60 employees.

I guess the answer is to let employers do whatever they want, like in the 19th century. Or the way U.S. companies behave today in Mexico -- a dollar a day, no bathroom breaks, and if you're too sick to come to work today, don't bother coming tomorrow

I guess destination where we are now going will be more close to 12th century :-) about dollar per week. :-)

Obama is the worst - he betrayed everybody

Time for a regime change

Tired of the lies and B.S. about the current President. There are no U.S. Presidents who are immune to the Commercial system and how it controls everything. However, the hate for Obama is totally misplaced. The Healthcare plan is a conservative created plan for the most part and was a huge gift to the Private Insurance industry. It's the best any President could possibly hope to do under the circumstances of our current political climate. Just remember Obama didn't create this system or this mess. So far with ZERO help from the opposing party, he's fixed a lot of the issues he was left with.

Government spending is decreasing at a very fast rate. The Deficit is decreasing at the fastest rate in recent history. Corporate profits have never been better under any U.S. President, Government Jobs have hit all time lows and Reagan and Bush facing a recession actually increased spending and Government Jobs, so the conservative talking points are pure BULL. Stock market is hitting all time highs. Despite obstruction, more job creation than under 8 yrs of Bush. Can't blame Obamacare for anything going on in any large business in the U.S. unless they want to give him credit for their record profits.

Politics is complicated business. I've lost faith in the current crop of politicians in Washington these days. In my humble opinion, ObamaCare appears to be more about increased government dependency, wealth redistribution, reduced freedom and centralized political power than health care. A pox on all their houses. Forcing the public to buy a flawed product with little competitive choice is anathema to the principles upon which this country was founded. Also, more and more health care providers will elect not to participate, forcing fewer and fewer facilities and doctors to provide services to increased numbers of people. I think that Obama and the Democrats want the exchanges and insurance companies to fail so they can try to enact emergency federal measures (a single-payer system) on the public. This will likely reduce the quality and availability of health care even further. Not good.

Discussing politicians is pointless business, really.

Discussing economics fundamentals is another matter.

Healthcare is not a right, its a good just as anything what made by humans. Someone have to invent it and produced it. You don't have a right to steal someones labor to pay for your shit just because you want or need something.
There is no perfect system. But the free market is the best even for healthcare. Look at the markets what are not regulated like Computers, cameras..The prices are keep dropping and the products are evolving in super speed. Now look at the markets where the Government is involved like Healthcare, Banking, Housing where all the economic problems are happening. US used to have the best healthcare system on the world when the there was no Government involvement in the system. The visits operations were cheap because the doctors used to be subject to the market. Socialized medicine only make it more expansive. You are still paying for it but from your taxes. In EU you pay 30 - 50% taxes and the big part of it is the "free" healthcare. I grew up in Europe and moved to the US. The US system is still more superior but it is in decline since the 1965 when the government started to get involved more and more. For all those who think that the European or the Canadian system is better it's bullshit, Canadians coming over to our side to get surgeries done quicker. My dad had to get a heart surgery in EU he had to wait 6 month. We had to pay of the doctor the get him to surgery took us 2 weeks to fight and a lots of hush money. Otherwise my dad would have not lived today. "The grass is always greener on the other side." Btwy agree Obamacare is not even a socialized healthcare, its even worse I would call it a Fascist healthcare its like putting a gun someone had and force him to buy a fully loaded BMW even if he doesn't have the money.
I was laughing when fat Michael Moore made the movie Sicko. He went to the presidential hospital in Cuba and try to prove that Cuba has a better healthcare system. If you are not in the communist party in Cuba and you need a complicated surgery your only choice is to swim to Miami just ask any Cuban. If I would be a business man with employees I would definitely fire anyone righteous little turd who supported Obama and Obamacare because they are ignorant of economics. They can go and start they own business and show us how they would do it. I prefer the free market but if we have to have a system in place Singapore is the most successful system out there. They have a total 3% tax and they have a mandatory investment saving account what is not taxed and thats also act as your security for your healthcare bills. This way the people still subject to negotiation and the doctors have to obey the market what is lowering the cost plus the money is yours and the politicians cannot steal it for wars and other stupid shit like what they did to the social security and other tax collected money. Remember when ever you have tax collection the politicians and corporation will eventually steal the honey pot. It is a lot easer to steal from one piggy bank then go to everyones house separately.

You can LOL, but you are wrong. Yes healthcare is just like cameras and computers. There is no difference, made by humans just like all products no difference. You take something off the market there is less incentive to improve the product If the government insures the purchase for a given rate. If I make a camera and the government forces everyone to buy it from me I don't have to do anything to fight for consumers. Yes the price is going up globally because all governments trying to intervene. When people have free access for a doctor they will abuse it even if its not necessary. You will have more demand and less supply. Economy 101. Plus on top of that the cost of the bureaucratic apparatus you have to pay for.

Yes the price is going up globally because all governments trying to intervene. When people have free access for a doctor they will abuse it even if its not necessary.

Do you have experience were doctors make many people die (while being free and having all to save them) ? They just happened to have not enough money :-) No? I did.

Government is not from Mars. Governments try to do that society wants, more or less. Mostly less lately, as they need big amount of resources themselves.

I understand young people with absolutist positions to dismantle all medicine and let people pay for all. Thing is as you become badly seek you could not have money, or could be fired, or many other things can happen. People who have very small life experience try to judge things in absolutes.

Just an example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html

Unfortunately there are many people die in socialist healthcare system in the waiting room, I know from the my experience with my dad in the hospital, there were couple of patients in who lied in the next room to my dad who never made it to the operation. Saying cameras should be subject to markets but healthcare not is like saying the apple should be a subject to gravity but the orange should not be because I like orange so there for the orange should float in the air. You cannot kill capitalism. Capitalism is part of humans. Socialism is not an alternative it is simple just a management system what creates distortions on the market. Capitalism always comes back, under socialism we call it a black-market. People will always trade and follow they own selfish interest.

It's not a matter of how I feel about poor people is about the reality of human action.

@eclipp

Please understand, no one here want to change your position, as it is pointless. :-)

You cannot kill capitalism. Capitalism is part of humans. Socialism is not an alternative it is simple just a management system what creates distortions on the market. Capitalism always comes back, under socialism we call it a black-market.

Let me rephrase a little so you start understanding that you are talking about.

You can't kill cannibalism. Cannibalism is part of humans. Modern society is not alternative, it is simply just a management and organization system what creates distortions. Cannibalism always comes back, in modern society we call it maniac :-)

@jrd American healthcare is far from a free market since the 60s. Societies closes to the free market created the greatest civilizations in history but as they got wealthier they got also spoiled voting them self in to bankruptcy. "Civilisation" - Socialism is nothing new it was tried by the Greeks, Romans, French and Germans always ending up in with chaos. Only people call socialism civilization who doesn't read history. The only thing we learned from history that we don't learn from history!

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville