As of now whats the advantages of of having an 5dII vs 5dIII , anything major with regards to the quality or useability of MLT raw video

@sammy - either the chipset in the 5dIII is faster or the components of the circuit board that have to do with the CF controller are better - but it can't keep up with the higher resolutions like @jakepowell said. I considered getting a 5dII many times - but it just wasn't worth it unless it can do decent raw.

Also - keep in mind that the SD card controller seems to be capable of much lower rates compared to the CF card controller. People are only getting 20/30 MB sustained even though the card may be faster. I have the 95MB Sandisk Extreme Pro cards that I use in the GH2 and GH3 - I will try to test them and see.

@uninexus Thanks for the feedback. Hope disruptions from BlackMagic and Magic Lattern will motivate manufacturers to move right direction faster. We clearly see of what the technology is capable of doing already.

It looks like smartphone mass market is going to be a factor in pushing the dedicated video/photo camera video output quality upwards .... we can see impact on the lower end already.

Thanks @maxr... I love my GH3. Make no mistake - I am not getting rid of it. I just wonder if I need to get a Pocket Cinema Camera now - that's my point. If I don't need 10 bit of DR but need a very capable camera to either shoot a video or take some pictures - the GH3 is it ! I can of course get a bit more in pictures with the MKIII - that's an option. RAW is for creative work, for low light situations, for DR... for slow and deliberate.

My GH2 will be going on the market. Someone else can give it a loving home. Now let's hope for a GH3 hack ;-)

@seeker Amen, man ;-)

@sammy I will test. I think it does - but I will check.

@uninexus

Always triple check anything Andrew says, especially related to tech and numbers.

It is also good to understand that speed can be not constant and can degrade with time or size used.

It's also enough to use 7G of space per minute of recording which means at most ~9 minutes of recording on the 64G cards that can go that fast (128G cards are slower). Don't forget to bring your laptop to dump footage to HD constantly!

No pain no gain

Guys, can anyone help with even 10sec of actual .RAW Mk3 footage. I don't own a body but a friend does. Before I invest in high-speed CF cards I would like to try out the workflow (via Cineform).

The plan currently is to:

a) use RAW2DNG from ML to get .dng

b) use Cineform Professional Studio to convert .dng to Cineform RAW (in .avi container as this works best in Windows). This is allegedly faster than real-time, there is no de-bayer yet.

c) Edit in Premiere CS6 directly on the online (RAW Cineform .avi) in 1/4 or 1/8 res.

d) Export XML and relink in Scratch for finishing (there is no conform since I edited on the online).

e) De-bayer on exporting to multiple deliverable targets.

Help a brother out please with .raw files or whatever the extension is.

@rockroadpix

I think it is camera movement, it looks to my eye to be a classic case of rolling shutter with a long lens.

@oedipax Cheers, I got that sample.

Well my proposed workflow panned out perfectly, no issues whatsoever. Bear in mind I'm on an older Quad (Q6600/8GB/GTX285) as well!

a) I got RAW2DNG.exe and this raw2dng_batchelor GUI which is supposed to help for multiple inputs. I selected an output dir and it spewed out .dng in there.

b) I started Cineform Studio Premium and imported said .dng files, with Filmscan1 settings (.avi output). It went through them like nothing (the clip is 23sec), much faster than real time. The resulting bitrate is 88 Mbit/s, a 5.5:1 reduction compared with the uncompressed (Canon frame-buffer) RAW. So now I'm in Cineform RAW. For those unaware of Cineform's workings, it has this metadata capability where it applies input and output gamma curves, 3D LUTs, exposure etc etc adjustments which are then played out in REALTIME by any and all DirectShow/Quicktime apps. This works on a system-wide basis (it uses worldwide unique handles for each new file, no idea how it tracks that). I settled for Custom Log Input/Output curves. Video Gamma output works also well if you don't care for much color correction. I applied the CStyleLUT (Protune). Playback with Windows Media Player looks very good, CPU load is 95%. I'm blown out haha with the dynamic range, GH2 can't touch this.

c) Premiere CS6. Playback test at full res is a slideshow with the CPU at 95%. Half res (1/2) brings it down to 60%, a load I can cut under.

d) Rendered out of Squeeze 9 (x.264, 15Mbit) as Adobe Media Encoder misbehaved and SPED UP the footage, wtf?; I kept the source 2.66:1 aspect ratio (1920x720)

Upped on Vimeo:

The only "grading" comes from the CStyleLUT applied directly in Cineform Studio. I did test playback in Scratch (near realtime in full-res) but couldn't be bothered to grade. Wake me up when the thing records for longer than 40sec. As it is, although unbeatable in price/value, can only be used for very short very scripted takes.

Update: I see Vimeo makes a mockery out of my h.264 master @15 Mbs. I normally encode the master at 40Mbs out of AME, and it looks good. I will reencode at 40Mbs in Squeeze and update.

Update2: So it's now at 40Mbs going in into Vimeo and the results are eh. Download the original if you care. Do you think I'm obsessive-compulsive?

Update3: Changed the Demosaic type to CF Advanced Detail 3 and dropped 200K off of the color temperature. I think this surpasses the GH2 for detail. Download original.

Update4: The people at Cineform/GoPro with their own take on settings to transcode Mk3 RAW: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5479.0 Demosaic at Advanced Detail 1/2/3 are NOT progressively better, but different flavors, with 3 not being in favor as it induces color noise it seems.