@driftwood. Intravenus V2 is exceptionally stable (I've only been able to get it to fail once after shooting for a few minutes). Whereas CM failed quite often (1 out of 15 shots or so). Would it be ok to push it past 150mb? Say 170 or 180mb/s like some of the older hacks to get even more detail out of it?

And I posted this is my other thread, but my tests with a 50" plasma are showing Dynamic mode to produce a richer/more quality image than both Standard and Smooth film modes. I posted earlier that standard vs standard CM looked better than IntraVenus v2, but shooting IntraVenus v2 in dynamic is about the same. Basically everyone recommends shooting Standard or Smooth but is there something wrong with Dynamic?

@Zaven13 Youre absolutely right for wide shots high detail. At 24p Intra Low Rider if you edit Q to default 20 (uncheck all the quantisation stuff) will generally give an overall picture quantisation range of Q18 to Q22 for the whole picture - which is still good. [Sedna Q20 is a good example of this method]

As soon as you start lowering the Q, employing AQ, or bringing down the matrix numbers for low pass freq filtering I guarantee Q for the whole picture will begin to vary - and sometimes more wildly. For shots like in tight subject matter (e.g. faces) a much lower Q can be used (such as Low Rider variation 1,2,3 or 4). Intravenus is also a very good setting for hi quality mid to tight shots/less busy shots/panning movement.

Generally, for 24p I use two of my settings when filming; e.g. Boom or Intravenus for mid-in tight shots and any of the same setting with Q set to default (Untick all Q related stuff) for high detail wide shots. That way I have the benefits of maximising my picture in close (at something like Q16 for Low Rider, Intravenus etc... which is of course better than Q20).

The rule of thumb is if theres less going on, encode the picture with the best detail you can. If there's more going on try and keep the quanitsation constant across the whole picture - and simply setting and experimenting Intiial Q (IQ in ptools) will help you achieve that.

There is no way of knowing how you're going to get the best quality with settings (and Intra!) unless you experiment. But in summary, its always best to share the bitrate out throughout the whole picture whilst you can and then measure with elecard.

I've done enough testing of settings and with the various way of lowering and keeping constant Q to know that no single setting works for all scenarious. And that includes other people's settings. Quantisation generally works from the top down and as soon as it starts running out of bandwidth the lower part of the picture will begin to suffer first with higher or poorer QP values.

With Long GOP the bitrate expectations are much lower (due to prediction techniques) and Cluster v6 and v7 (6 GOP and 12/15 GOP) are exceptional all rounders providing some of the best looking constant picture quantisation Ive seen.

However, each method Intra or Long GOP have their benefits (and fans!) whether its movement (I prefer it in Intra) or editing in the NLE (Long GOP takes a lot more arithmatic to decode and can be time consuming where as Intra is very quick as each frame is a picture). The arguments for each have long been discussed on these pages.

The other problem is 50p/60p modes and FSH 1080i60/50 which have less memory and cpu power overall for the extra frames. Its for this reason why picture frame sizes in bits are smaller, etc... and a lot more work has to be done to balance things, The GH2 is brilliant at 24p and okay for everything else.

Therefore I continue to support both Intra and Long GOP methods. Thank you once again for your excellent testing.

The same can be said of the GH3; in 'tight shots' utilising the Intra settings is very good (Ive measured them!); zoom out and go wide with high detail and you're better off using the 50Mbps settings. Only when we hack the GH3 will we know if the High Profile level 5's use of 8x8 Transform will help when we push the bitrate up whilst trying to maintain decent overall Q for hi detail wide shots (and act well as a single setting for all). Its good practice to organise your shots from your storyboard with the right setting.

@driftwood. Thanks a lot for the explanation and the tips. They are very helpful. With what I have learned from personal experience and the knowledge I have gained from you and the others, I know which settings I want and how to use them now. Cheers.

@defier Dynamic ad too much noise over Standard or Cinema.

I tested Quantum GH3 Matrix Setting Test 2 ( tested only 24L ) and for my eyes in front of 43 inch lcd loocks superior then FlowMotion,Sanity 5,Cluster v6 'DREWnet' in terms of noise but over ISO 1600 noice tend to be irregular and create orizontal lines of noise easily observed on flat surfaces but overall looks much better than other patches tested by me.

I am a HUGE fan of intravenus 2. Noise looks more like grain than any other patch I've ever used. Whatever was done in the making of intravenus 2 to help it out in that way needs to be done on every patch from here on out. ; ) amazing work @driftwood

although I still want to test cinema smooth (especially if it's anything close to being as nice as intra)

also, @driftwood , I noticed you mentioned in the post above "when the gh3 is hacked" is their a topic to follow the progress of that, or can you share with us what the status is with that?

To tag along with @onionbrain as far as note for general audiences, I used Cluster V7 Nebular sharp2 6GOP with 444 matrix on a recent trip to Yosemite. Then I edited and graded a highlight video of the trip with Cyberlink PowerDirector and ColorDirector and sent it to my friends from the trip. The moment they looked at the video, they called me and told me how stunning the video looked like. I am no professional at this stuff. It's the patch or the setting.

To be honest, I have no idea, it might be version 1 or it might be the tester version of 2 that I might have received in advance.

Here is RAW footage.... go to VIMEO and download the MTS stream --

Well, I am no good at assessment...as far complex analysis but my eyeballs were happy with lowrider and it didnt crash on the 32gig 95mbps Sandisk just the 45mbps one.

*also --there were 2 cams and there will be an edit with parts used so dont diss my camera work people was going gonzo handheld on this and I had to play it by ear...my follow focus is broken so I was ackwardly trying to adjust it by switching off auto to manual etc...

hello, I work in documentary, with hbr mode exclusivly. Would you please advise me for my choise, which patch seems to be the greteast for my kind of using? Thanks

@swiss_Boy I've used intra v1 and v2 and I like V2 better. I've not done any scientific pixel peeping, side by side, morning, noon, night, breakest, lunch, & dinner test (yes, this is a joke you could say) but from what I've seen come from Intra 2, I like it a lot. To a degree, the noise emulates grain better than most patches I've ever used. Although depending on your ISO & shutter settings I'm sure it could make a difference in the end results.

@driftwood

Very, very cool! Thank you! Looking forward to them.