@onionbrain Thanks so much for your detailed analysis. It doesnt matter about the print quality partially because all profiles were subjected to the same test. And youve certainly changed the ideaology once again surrounding picture profiles. The new Sedna matrix is being reconstructed following these findings. Thanks Andrew.

Nick

thx @onionbrain i test everytime when a new setting is installed on my gh2.
but i never do test it like you have done it now... it makes things much more clear.
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I also do like the vibrant, Nature also looks good, when it is set to -2 -2 +2 -2...

More Sedna Matrix... still tweaking...

Onionbrain, your post puts the views into a different perspectives. Thanks so much. This will become a tool of sorts.

Thanks @onionbrain I think I found a new love for vibrant. The colors are what I call thick and noiseless. I can't believe how much punchier the colors come out in that mode. Also...so far...in good lighting there is no apparent noise in the shadows. Looks to me like the cleanest mode.. Then again that could have something to do with the Quantum v4c I just loaded into the camera. I have not color graded it as yet but so far it seems exactly how you described it...like 4:2:2 colorspace.

I've always adored Cinema and Standard, time to give Vibrant a shot!

@Driftwood About that Camera Bag from China, WoW! You should write them and get an exclusive to market that bag. You should copyright your name right away... Al

Gave vibrant a shot, and compared it against standard. In terms of colour, I can easily get standard to the same saturation as vibrant in post. In terms of noise, it looks like vibrant is slightly better but almost imperceptible (had to pixel peep)

Here's another test for 4b… this time with underexposed areas. Sadly, I don't have a plus account and vimeo reencoded poorly :(

Orion 4b test

@sakattaq76 @Stray @AlexManta @matthere @SystemD @otcx @redbaron @mozes @exilenorth I'm grateful if it was helpful to you in any way. Thanks for the note!

@itimjim Adding blue to Nostalgic is like adding gasoline to fire -- relative to noise.

@ChrisPeters Well, the paradox with Nostalgic is identical to the paradox with Cine D from the broadcast line. You can raise levels on Standard to expand the range of an image -- beyond the benefit of default Nostalgic. But, if you raise levels on Nostalgic, the noise becomes very apparent.

So -- I honestly believe Standard is the best all-around setting. I haven't spent any time out in the fields with Vibrant as yet, so I'm sure there are problems yet to be encountered. The issue with vibrant is that it seems to boost colors without excessive chroma noise. And, it does very much resemble the look of Canon DSLR's

@qwerty123 Well, if you go to 0:48 in that test video you can see Vibrant back-to-back with Cinema. Clearly overall brightness is lower with Cinema.

In a general all-around sense -- I do think Standard is the go-to profile. It's very probable that Standard was designed around the capabilities of the camera, whereas the others were designed around Standard to offer solutions for consumers as determined by various marketing studies.

Thanks!

@Ian_T After staring at those results at full resolution here in the studio -- I took Vibrant for a walk around the house. At 0 saturation it was over the top -- but it was like I was looking at footage from a 5D Mark 2 -- except with decent resolution and no aliasing. At -1 saturation it really was a 5D Mark 2, except with elements of Sony's Cinematone.

Normally this kind of saturation means chroma noise -- and that's the mystery of Vibrant at this point. It's Canon color without chroma noise. And, according to the charts it's handling noise as well as Standard.

So -- I intend to take Vibrant out into the fields in the next few days for real world tests. But, from the charts, Vibrant is impressive as hell on the default v11 firmware.

@jhero Well, I agree and disagree. Standard at +2 saturation may be similar to Vibrant at -1 saturation, but the noise handling characteristics aren't identical. +2 saturation on Standard results in ugly chroma noise. -1 on saturation with Vibrant doesn't create ugly chroma noise. And, on a purely visual level, Vibrant seems to be creating a pleasing image in a way that I haven't before achieved with Standard.

All that said -- I still haven't been out on the streets in the real world with Vibrant -- and that's the real test. In the next few days I plan to give Vibrant hell to find the problems.

@driftwood I'm very grateful if my little stuff is of assistance to you in any way as you do the big stuff. My thanks!

@onionbrain Ah, I did set standard saturation in camera to -2 but you're right, if I wanted to bake the saturation into the shot I'd definitely go with Vibrant. I usually shy away from vibrant colour however (personal style) so I might even try Vibrant at -2 saturation

@exilenorth nice vid! it sounded like there were cars in the background drifting too. pretty sick.

@jhero thanks for the pic sample. I see a ton of it in your png file as well, particularly in the red and blue channels. I use After effects to isolate each channel, hold the alt key and the top row #1 key for red and alt key and top row #3 key for blue channel. Alt plus #2 for the green channel which looks better but still has some macroblocking.