@driftwood Here it is 4 test versions of the GSpot FlowMotion NTSC 96Mbps for compare the 720p60 stability:

G = GSpot original (gop tables 43 + gop 3), for comparison.

H = gop tables 42

I = gop 4

J = gop tables 42 + gop 4

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Did you edit and try my Cluster v4 'All 3 GOP' setting from 2012? See thread http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/3454/driftwood-settings-series-5-cluster-v6-ultra-reliable-mysteron-crossfire-quantum-9b-sedna.../p1

download: http://www.personal-view.com/talks/uploads/FileUpload/87/9c0de6d88cd9af4895ed3725fefe17.zip

@driftwood already downloaded them, did an initial look, interesting gop table settings. I will experiment as soon as I have time to do a careful test. thanks.

@frullaccia thanks for reports, did you got stop recording or camera freeze? I think that the way to go is to use a lower datarate version, you are experimenting with the highest versions, so please, give a try on the 96Mbps PAL setG, it should work ok. or try loading each version to perceive the highest you can use.

As I said before, my card just allow me to test up to the setG versions 96Mpbs, higher than this I cannot do fully tests. but all the things in the ini are the same in all versions, just a change in datarate, frame limits and buffers, so it should work in high speed cards. in each version the frame limits and buffer settings are math calculations using frames size measurements from streamparser, including the H, I and J using the seconds that I could record, the same measurements that I did to the lower versions, so I was wondering it would work. The 24p can handle more high settings, but maybe these very high datarate versions touch the limits of camera hardware for FSH, FH, SH and H. My intuition and feelings are telling me that there is nothing to do in terms of stability anymore, it seems to be the limits of the camera. I will do tests with the patches pointed by driftwood to perceive if they have something which can help, and in other patches also, including the new ideas I got in last posts. but to be honest I think now is the moment to find which datarate you can use among the available datarates from setA to setJ.

I bought a 32GB 95Mbps sandisk today, hope it is not fake one... it will take some weeks to arrive here (45 days)... so I will can test better the higher datarate settings. I think it will be waste of time to try to test the set H, I and J with the 45Mbps card, so better wait this new card to arrive. It will also help me to develop my new matrices ideas.

@frullaccia thanks for feedback. AFon and stabilizer are difficult to work in very high datarates for 720p. try to find which datarate version will do the job. in the GSpot for PAL from setE and above are great quality, and in GSpot for NTSC from setG and above are great quality. I believe you can find one to give you more time recording with all these features enabled among all datarate versions. You can also try lower datarates versions below setE Pal and below setG NTSC for use with AF and OIS. With these features disabled maybe it will be more stable in the higher datarate versions. for me to do tests I need to wait the 95Mbps card to arrive.

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This seems to be the best I can do for 720p60 NTSC, I cannot find ways to improve the quality and stability anymore, only the 96Mbps version at this moment for stability tests, if it stop recording or freeze the only solution will be lowering the datarate.

@frullaccia @driftwood please do your tests, I recorded 2 minutes of the SDC4 death chart in NTSC 720p60 SH with continous AF and OIS enabled, handheld camera movements and steady, no stop recording, no freeze, 14-42mm kit lens.

HBR 30p and FHS 60i also working in the SDC4 death chart with AF and OIS enabled.

(I only tested the FlowMotion version)

setG = flowmotion matrix

setH = nebula tweaked matrix

@apefos I will test it. By now I can't use your last ini file. Please zip it and redo the uploading. Thanks.

@frullaccia @driftwood

All settings in the patches are very well done now, seems to be nothing else to do. So now it is a matter of datarate.

before start experimenting with new matrices, I will need to find the correct datarates first, two of them, one for high quality noise and details at same time, and another for perfect stability with all camera and lens features enabled.

The post above already have three versions with this attempt to find these datarates, the higher for best quality and the lower for enable the electronic features. tested with the 45Mbps card.

I just would like to do a careful fine tuning in finding these datarates using the 95Mbps card to get the best possible from the camera.

first datarate will deliver the great quality for noise and details at same time, today the 96Mbps ntsc versions allows this, the pal versions can have this from 68Mbps to 80Mbps, I need to do new tests to find where it is the sweet spot for pal. probably this datarate to allow perfect noise and details at same time will not work with electronic features like AF, AE, OIS, iD and iR. It will be for native lenses with all features disabled and for manual third part lenses.

second datarate which allows to use all electronic features of lenses and body: AF, AE, OIS, iD, iR. This datarate will be lower and probably will not deliver the great noise/details quality simultaneously, needs tests. but will be very useful for using the features from the lens and camera.

I will try to put the first higher datarate in the SH slot and the second lower datarate in the H slot, I do not know if this will be possible, if not I will do two patches, first for high quality and all features disabled and second for average quality with all features enabled.

I think this is what people needs, reduce the number of patches and make it work for quality and stability, if possible in just one patch, if not possible it will be in two patches.

I will need to wait the 95Mbps card to arrive to do this (I ordered one), doing this with the 45Mbps card will be waste of time.

after this, with the two best datarates found, so I will can start experimenting with matrices because the patch base will be ready for it. I know that different matrices can need some tweaking in the patch but it will be small thing to do, because the main development will be already done.

Time to wait the 95Mbps card to arrive...

@frullaccia you will get no benefits raising the datarate, just make it unstable. there are many settings tweaked in each version which works together for specific datarate, everything must be changed.

the last three versions are pretty good, stable and great quality. please follow instructions from my pevious post, it tells what version can do.

when the 95Mbps card arrives I will test the 104, 112 and 120 again.

I cannot work anymore without the new card, it is time to wait.

I will stop posting for a while until the 95Mbps card arrives, hope all the people understand...

GSpot: High, Mid and Low - developed considering quality and stability with electronic auto features enabled. Versions 07 october 2014

Use the updated versions, second uploaded zip in this post. (the older first zip is unstable in some modes)

I decided to finish the job for the 45Mbps card, so people who have this card or similar card can use these patches, with special tweaking for using the electronic auto features from lenses and camera body.

HIGH, MID, LOW: GSpot Mature Settings - updated ini files in the second zip

only three patches with correct datarates considering quality and stability.

24p datarate follows 720p datarate due to stability, but with a small step up in 24H.

versions are separated for 720p considering a choice between quality or to priorize the use of the electronic auto features from lenses and camera body.

try both SH and H, there is a small datarate difference and one can be a little more stable than the other. same thing for FSH and FH.

HIGH: setA, tweaked for quality, electronic auto features does not work, top quality for 720p60 NTSC, superb quality for 720p50 PAL.

MID: setB, electronic auto features works just for PAL, with luck only OIS works in NTSC, top quality for 720p50 PAL, average quality for 720p60 NTSC

LOW: setC, electronic auto features works for PAL and NTSC, average quality for 720p50 PAL, bottom quality for 720p60 NTSC

the choice of versions is more related about if you need electronic auto features or not. the reason is because the camera cannot handle high datarates with these features enabled, so it is a matter of priorize quality or features. for PAL this is not a big issue, using the MID setB solves both things, but NTSC is different, see below:

advice for PAL: use version MID setB because the image quality is great for 720p and the electronic auto features works.

advice for NTSC: use the version HIGH setA to get great image quality for 720p or use version LOW setC to get the electronic auto features working.

electronic auto features are: Auto Exposure, Auto Focus, OIS image stabilization, iDynamic, iResolution, ETC extended teleconverter, Noise Reduction. Try using just one electronic auto feature at a time, or try to perceive which features can be combined and used together without stop recording. 24H, 24L, HBR, FSH and FH are more stable with these features. SH and H are the most difficult to work with the features without stop recording, this is the reason there are the HIGH, MID and LOW versions.

these patches push the GH2 to the limits in 720p and 1080i so it can stop recording, but the ini files was tweaked to avoid camera freeze. if it stops, the file will be saved and camera returns to stand by mode, so no need battery pull, no shoot lost.

More conservative datarates because very high datarates just increases chances of stop recording with minimal benefits in terms of image quality.

Careful tweaking in GOP TABLES and DATARATES

Using FlowMotion MAtrix

tested and optimized for the Sandisk 45MBps 32GB SDHC card, and above.

Use the updated versions, second uploaded zip in this post. (the older first zip is unstable in some modes)

@frullaccia please download the last updated versions, more stable, second zip file in my last post.

After tweaking the HML patches improved to make the electronic auto features to work, I perceived that probably the 95Mbps card will make no difference... It seems that the stop recording when using these features in high datarate patches is more related to the camera processor power instead of datarate flux to the memory card. After careful tweaking in all other settings in the ini file, the only way I could make these features to work was lowering the datarate, and the amount to lower the datarate is proportional to the fps (frames per second) being used. More fps means that the camera processor needs to work more to pack more frames. So my intuition says that a faster card will not make the electronic auto features to work in higher datarates for 720p. The updated HML patches (second zip file in my previous post) seems to be in the limits of datarate which allows the electronic auto features to work. I will do tests when the 95MBps card arrives.

After lots of work in the patches, I perceived that the stop recording is different from camera freeze. If camera freezes there are wrong settings in the ini file, the patch is not correct and breaks the codec. The stop recording and return to stanby mode is different, it can be related to two things: a slow memory card, or to a combination of high datarate + high fps + electronic auto features stressing the camera processor. Due to this conclusions I believe the 95MBps card will not make significant difference compared with the 45MBps card, because the card does not improve the camera processor. I will have the answers for this when the 95MBps card arrives.

@frullaccia the "not updated version" is unstable in some modes, this is the reason there is the "updated version".

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Thanks for informations in P-V topics, for participation in the workhorse, boson and gspot topics, for all the help, it was essential for me to achieve the results.

It seems that I found the limits of the GH2 for quality/stability/features enabled and also the datarate and gop configurations for highest quality in 720p, and also great quality in the other modes. Now it is time for carefull tests using the GSpot HML bundle with H-switch, to perceive if it is completely reliable or if it needs adjusts.

After that, with the base already done, I will can start to experiment with matrices, taking into account the matrices design, quantization, and also it's interaction with the other settings in the patch, mainly the gop tables.

It is good to solve the mysteries, the mind keeps calm and there is no hurry, the job turn into pleasant to do, and now I can do it in parallel with the other tasks.