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U.S. High School Student Expelled for Refusal to Wear Location Tracking RFID and Critique of Program
  • Andrea Hernandez, a sophmore high school student at John Jay High School, is in a legal battle after her high school attempted to expel her for refusing to comply with a newly instituted high school RFID program to track the students. To quote the district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez:

    “What we have found, they are there, they’re in the building and not in their chairs. They are in the cafeteria, with counselors, in stairwells or a variety of places, some legitimately and some not. If they are on campus, we can legally count them present.”

    Source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/rfid-chip-student-monitoring/

    The above Wired article mentions further details:

    "Gonzalez said John Jay High has 200 surveillance cameras and Anson Jones Middle School, about 90.

    'The kids,' he said, 'are used to being monitored.'”

    Other articles mentioned the school's attempt to broker a deal with the girl and her family, including this one at OpposingViews.com:

    "Civil liberties lawyers at the Rutherford Institute told Infowars.com that they are going to file a temporary restraining order petition to prevent the school from kicking Hernandez out.

    In response to public outcry and pressure from rights groups, John Jay High School has offered to remove the battery and chip, but wouldn’t budge on the ID.

    The offer would also require the Hernandez family to end their public criticism and agree to support the policy, something Andrea’s father Steve Hernandez finds unacceptable."

    Source: Article by OpposingViews.com at http://www.opposingviews.com/i/technology/gadgets/student-andrea-hernandez-expelled-refusing-wear-location-tracking-rfid-badge*

    The OpposingViews.com article also mentions that Hernandez opposes the program on grounds of both privacy and religion.

    Here are some other links to coverage of the subject, both in the U.S. and the U.K.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752

    http://now.msn.com/andrea-hernandez-suspended-for-refusing-to-wear-an-rfid-locator-tag-can-stay-at-school-until-court-hearing

    http://www.zdnet.com/student-expelled-for-refusing-to-wear-rfid-tracking-chip-badge-7000007723/

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/texas-school-districts-rfid-tracking-of-students-goes-to-court/

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13463095-student-tracker-project-in-texas-schools-leads-to-court-row

    http://rt.com/usa/news/school-hernandez-rfid-student-449/

    http://www.goddiscussion.com/104442/high-school-student-faces-expulsion-for-refusal-to-wear-device-she-believes-is-satanic/

    Details mentioned in some of them include the plans in Texas to spread the mandatory RDIF program statewide.

    I've done my best to provide ones from sites with various political leanings and editorial foci because:

    • 1) I feel that it's helpful to read several articles on a subject to get a sense for what is actually going on.
    • 2) I do not believe that this is an issue limited to either conservatives or liberals in the United States.

    It is my personal opinion (though it is only my opinion and not a fact, and should be debated if disagreed with) that this program:

    • 1) Should never have been implemented.
    • 2) Does not serve the students or parents.
    • 3) Will rarely benefit teachers.
    • 4) May benefit school administrations financially.
    • 5) Is disturbing in its approach to tracking U.S. citizens that have neither committed a crime nor found themselves the subject of a criminal investigation.
    • 6) Violates the rights of the parents to grant or deny their consent to a controversial school measure.
    • 7) Violates the spirit of the Constitution, whether or not it violates the exact wording of it (and may potentially violate both).

    That's at least one part of my opinion. I hope you'll share this issue with others you know. If you disagree with me, I would still like to hear your thoughts. I hope that I can learn from seeing the issue through someone else's eyes.

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  • I think it was on every mass media around the world :-)

    To be short:

    1. More and more cameras will be installed.
    2. About RFID or similar tech. Will become common around the world and no one will be asking you or me.

    Tracking will be absolutely coomon and quite soon we'll see punishment for not following common routes.

  • I understand the cynicism, I really do. But I don't fully share it. :)

    This is happening in a country where some people choose to live on compounds rather than submit to certain forms of government intrusion and where the government has repeatedly been barred from impinging on most religious freedoms.

    In previous decades, there have been periods of reaction against various real or perceived threats in the U.S. in the past that violated the rights of its citizens (the Japanese internment camps, the McCarthy hearings, etc.) The country eventually compensated for what it perceived to be an over-reaction to these threats. My hope (whether over-optimistic or not) is that the country's culture will not long tolerate a combined intrusion by both the schools and the companies providing the RFIDs into the unfair tracking of America's children without respect for the will of the parents.

    Since the laws of the country are partially determined in large part by the percentage of people that vote and take action, it seems like the only way these measures can remain in place is if the majority of people are willing to accept them and take no action.

    I don't think that needs to happen.

  • This is happening in a country where some people choose to live on compounds rather than submit to certain forms of government intrusion and where the government has repeatedly been barred from impinging on most religious freedoms.

    Country you talk about (with UK, as company) is the most goverment (and real elite) controlled capitalist countries.

    Will this control be improved and widened? Without doubt.

  • I am neither confirming nor denying the control of the elite. I simply do not believe that policies will be embraced by a wide enough cross-section (whether they be considered elite or general populace) to facilitate their long-term implementation.

    One of the most powerful lobbies in the United States is the National Rifle Association. Think about the NRA's position regarding gun control and the relationship of their perspective on personal liberty, choice and freedom. They represent one of the more conservative lobbies in the country. But consider that sometimes they end up on the same side of an issue as the American Civil Liberties Union (which is often considered to be one of the more left-wing liberal groups) in their respective attempts to protect individuals from what they feel to unfair government practices.

    Think about the market economy as it relates to the various financial interests involved in this issue. On the one hand we have the electronics and telecom companies that could benefit from the increased sales and use of their product, from increased government markets - and alongside this we have the school administrators that may benefit more from funds under the current government policies. But there are a wide number of companies and individuals that could leverage their own brands, products and PR by appearing to be supporting students in "fighting the system" or show-boating politicians that want to gain the spotlight by making an issue of "big business intruding on our schools" or "the un-tested dangers of RFID on our children" etc. We are talking brands, movies, politicians, movie stars, etc. that could all increase their visibility (and in the process, their revenue and recognizability or political clout).

    The telecom companies and mass media often expand as a result of the election cycles, but they are not the only political or market force in the country. Other large companies without a clearly defined interest in propagating these measures remain undecided. The largest private employers in the United States are not telecom companies: they are Walmart and McDonalds. Those two companies are likely to sit this political battle out - but they are examples of tremendous powers that are not inherently aligned with the implementation of RFID programs in schools.

    All I'm saying is there are many potential influential players in this process that could oppose the trend. If they feel they can make more money or gain more influence by doing so, they will. And some of them may be uncomfortable with the rising power of companies like AT&T (cited in one of the articles above as providing RFID badges for programs like the one critiqued though not specifically to that program) that stand to benefit from these programs.

  • All I'm saying is there are many potential influential players in this process that could oppose the trend. If they feel they can make more money or gain more influence by doing so, they will. And some of them may be uncomfortable with the rising power of companies like AT&T (cited in one of the articles above as providing RFID badges for programs like the one critiqued though not specifically to that program) that stand to benefit from these programs.

    None of big companies will oppose the trend. No one.

    As all of them will be assisting in elimination of middle class. This guys need simple cheap, abiding workers. Predictable and simple. All of this guys will live in rented houses, consume cheap genetically modified junk food, and consume minumum of resources.

    Most of the people still do not get it. resources will become more scarse, energy will be in deficit. And elites appetites will be rising. Hence they'll be cutting all consumption (including consumption of land) for everyone else.

  • All I'm saying is, even if every word of the second two paragraphs is true, that does not mean the first one will be.

    Thank about how often companies, actors or politicians try to come off as "being discerning" or "protecting their constituency" when all they are doing is attacking opponent for the purpose of promoting themselves? There is no inherent reason why a company cannot give the appearance of being "on someone's side" by speaking out on an issue that does not otherwise directly affect them in order to have more leeway in dealing with areas of greater importance to them.

    Companies are neither inherently good nor bad. They are motivated by priorities that are often very different from those of their consumers, but that does not mean they will inherently act contrary to the interests of their consumers. It just means they won't typically do anything to help those consumers if they cannot see a clear benefit (with financial benefit being paramount, whether direct or indirect).

    All I'm saying is, if companies want to manipulate the populace, they have often have an easier time doing so when their manipulation is less obvious so that it is more difficult to perceive and resist.

    In some situations, a competing company (or competing industry) can be considered a very real threat. Increasing market-share while taking jabs at a competitor would be very tempting (and lucrative) for a number of companies. I'm not talking about idealism - just corporate strategy.

    These are my own viewpoints, not those of my family, and should not be confused with their writings on the topics of their experiences while starting or running various Fortune 500 companies and doing consulting work for the Swedish, English and U.S. national governments.

  • Corporate and company strategy is simple - survive and get profits. And the more predictable it'll be - the better.

    If you get whole population, such corporation policy is always against their interests. For some subsets it cn be not true, of course.

    Btw, such corporation policy, even if their managment had been directly from heaven, is inevitable, as everyone expect to get percents payment on money they put into their accounts. Hence banks want even more profits and companies need not only to pay to banks, but also to management and owners.

    For quite long time you can hide this issue using credits, after debt become hard to pay, you run various bubbles (internet, housing) to make people think that they can afford more debt. After this bubble stop growing, you start inflating last bubbles - goverment debt. As this story will be over - people will see real big price of real goods, their homes costing just small money, and huge amount of firms and corporations who want to pay them now very small money (and preferably make them temporary workers).

    Extremely light and cilivilised version you can observe in Greece now. But this one is very ligh and good income.

    These are my own viewpoints, not those of my family, and should not be confused with their writings on the topics of their experiences while starting or running various Fortune 500 companies and doing consulting work for the Swedish, English and U.S. national governments.

    What do you mean with this?

  • The 9/11 lie and the so-called "never ending war on terror" has been used to justify the loss of a great many civil liberties and much more is yet to come.

  • As all of them will be assisting in elimination of middle class. This guys need simple cheap, abiding workers. Predictable and simple. All of this guys will live in rented houses, consume cheap genetically modified junk food, and consume minumum of resources.

    That's one possible model, but there's another which is already in place, and which would seem to be more likely: that of the so-called Third World.

    And that model is far from "predictable and simple". It's not at all clear that current elites are willing to invest sufficiently in formal domestication of the population to arrive at a simple and predicable result, because that would require at least a minimum of social services.

    So, in that respect, the revolt of this student and her parents is at least hopeful, doomed though it may be. Also bear in mind that a catastrophic view of our current predicament is nothing new ; since the invention of fiat currency, for example, legions of prophets have insisted that doom is just around the corner. Anyone waiting for it for the last 200-300 years might not have had a very pleasant or rewarding life.

    Or claiming, as "conservatives" love to do in the U.S., that European socialism is doomed (meanwhile several European generations have enjoyed its benefits, free of the kinds of financial anxieties and bankruptcy which beset a lot of Americans). We all die, so I guess it's hopeless in that respect. But really, there's very limited pleasure or vindication, in a doomsday view, which typically does not come to pass in anyone's lifetime -- at least not in the modern age.

  • The school could have saved all the money they spent on tracking devices and just followed the kids around using their own phones' geolocating service.A "My Kool Skool" app and they're all yours, up to and including access to who they're seeing, what they're googling ...

    http://donttrack.us/

  • George Orwell's "1984" is getting true.....

  • The federal district judge ruled that the John Jay High School principal, Robert Harris, violated Andrea Hernandez's constitutional rights. So step one in her favor, but the process is still in the early stages.

    Also, the issue is more widespread as I was not previously aware of several of the incidents discussed in this article (including the one where at least one teacher monitored a student at home via their laptop, though not using RFID technology, etc.). http://patriotpost.us/opinion/15644

  • People don't just one day wake up in a hostile, tyrannical country. They voluntarily give it up little by little every day. Death by a thousand cuts. Some people are afraid of liberty and freedom.

  • Some people are afraid of liberty and freedom.

    Thing is "liberty and freedom" have exactly zero value by themselfs. I can say more - most of the time they have negative value.

    Let't make an example. US is cutting all food stamps, all unemployment spending. And provide complete freedom..to find food by yourself, in waste, as in Spain. I am sure all will be really happy and grateful.

  • but a lot of Americans would rather risk having too much freedom and find their own food. Just I difference of opinion.

    LOL. This is result that mass media are very good in making illusions. I can say youthat no one will agree to be free to search food in waste or die from starvation. It doen not require month to understand it. It is that simple.

    Mass media made special things that are implanted in peoples mind. It is called - human rights, freedom and opportunity. Nothing bad with this words, but all is bad with their real meaning and implementation. As all this shit is just method of manipulation used by elites.

    If the United states forefathers knew people that worked for a living would be taxed at 26-50% (when state taxes added to federal) they would have stayed at their home countries...

    Do not worry, not only you'll be taxed even more, not only huge currput structures will be taking your children and declaring them "goverment property", but much more interesting things will happen. Most funny thing that all of this will be accompanied with good words about freedom and human rights.

  • If the United states forefathers knew people that worked for a living would be taxed at 26-50% (when state taxes added to federal) they would have stayed at their home countries...

    Really? The issue at the time of the American revolution was "taxation without representation", but our "forefathers" never questioned the right or ability of the State to collect taxes. The forefathers were, after all, inspired by the writings of the European Enlightenment ("big government", the "nanny state"), as clearly seen in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    And while it's true that many Americans would rather go hungry than give up their guns (or maybe just keep their guns and want other people to go hungry), the number prepared to fight for actual rights would appear to be pitifully small.

  • When they asked, rhetorically, "What Price Freedom?" the presumed response was in the order of, "Fight to the end!" If they'd only known the price would go so low...

    The 21st century generation only needed a "Chat to a Friend?" proposal and, their freedom was all ours. As the marketers, Police, private detectives, insurance assessors, job recruiters and scammers will tell us, they never had it so easy!

    Build a tracking bracelet with a friend -tracking app and the kids' freedom is all yours. They'll hand it over in the name of personal empowerment.

  • backroom RFID abortion clinics will sprout up everywhere. :)

  • @chazzmoe : the recent election says you are wrong, but then, there is a minority in the USA still around that agree with what you are saying.

  • @chazzmoe

    Next time you get on a highway, bridge, fill up your car with government-subsidized gas, eat vegetables trucked in from California, cheer on the U.S. military, turn on the lights, call the fire-dept., receive medical care, drink clean water, etc., the best thing might be to stop what you're doing, because none of those services, all subsidized or paid for by the government, could have been supplied with the level of taxation collected in the 1776. Even your Gh2 is doubtful, without government-funded research, and this conversation wouldn't be happening without massive U.S. government investment in the internet.

    As for rewriting history, our conservative friends insist on telling us that God inspired the constitution and that our forefathers were ever bit as reactionary as they are, but history does not support that view. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, etc. took their inspiration from Voltaire and Rousseau, both of whom believed in the "social contract", not Grover Norquist or Pat Robertson. It's true that there were some reactionaries in the bunch -- John Jay is famous for insisting that "those who own the country ought to govern it" -- but he was something of an outlier at the time, already fighting against the lazy rabble who love to starve but who still insist on voting and ruining everything for all us hard-working folks.

  • @jrd

    Btw, I support him in the taxes thing. Current system is completely ill. And most of the taxes is doing only one thing - making business and living if people who are inventive and hard workin much worse.

    Trouble is, removing all taxes (in their current form) requires full system reformatting, and almost complete elimination of current elites. And this guys will fight.

  • @chazzmoe [responds to a now deleted post]

    When you find your libertarian(?) paradise, where nobody pays taxes, the government doesn't stick it's dirty nose in your business, the only right anyone cares about is the 2nd amendment and all the freeloaders who want free stuff are shipped off to NYC or France, be sure to let all us 3-year olds know about it. Wouldn't want to live there, but might be an interesting webcast destination.

    In fact, I can make your work easier: a lot of your requirements are satisfied by Third World paradises like Guatemala and Nigeria. But you won't find many anti-tax crusaders in a rush to get plane tickets -- for some odd reason, they much prefer to stay here, despite the insufferable level of taxation and implanted tracking chips so fervently proposed by their political party (government IDs, to prevent imaginary voter fraud? Dept. of Homeland Security? Immunity for Telecoms?).

    As for your "true factual statements" -- if you actually go back to what the "forefathers" wrote and said (the Federalist Papers, etc.), you won't find a word which promotes your own views on government or taxation. The best test of your ideas may not be whether Thomas Jefferson supported them or not, but since there's no country on earth anyone would care to live in, in at least the last 3000 years, which satisfies your requirements, you're asking your readers to take an awful lot on faith.

  • [response to deleted post]

    I myself find U.S. foreign policy to be criminal, but nothing you've said leads me to believe that I'd like your foreign policy any better.

  • @chazzmoe @jrd

    Guys, PM for any personal stuff.

  • Warning Dr. Smith! Cynicism alert! Warning!

    Civil liberties actually matter in America. I dunno about some of these other countries represented on PV, but we have people who vote in the states. And the one thing that scares politicians more than elites is votes. If elites had all the power, why didn't Romney win?

    Again, I dunno about all these other countries you guys come from. But whatever goes on in your little kingdom may or may not be happening in America.

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