Damn, I wish I were sitting on $7100. I'm tempted to put it on a credit card.

I can tell you this much, as a production company we looked at the RED EPIC/Scarlet for doing mid priced TVCs. We are now purchasing 3 BMCCs which will do 90% of what we want, and all up still cheaper kitted out than 1 x Scarlet with all the fruit. If we need a RED going forward we will just hire an EPIC for certain projects. RED still has it's place, Full format, high frame rate, 5K for cropping etc, but in a lot of cases you don't need these features if you are shooting corporate or mid range TVCs. 1080P 12 bit raw recorded to standard SSDs is staggering for $3000. RED will lose a huge potential market to the BMCC as many shooters will suffice with 1080P RAW for most commercial productions. The price of second hand RED cameras, especially Scarlet will plummet once the BMCC camera has saturated the market place. I think the RED is an exceptional camera but you really need to do the sums before you invest in this technology if you want a descent ROI. Deep down we are all gear sluts, I would love to have a RED epic all kitted out, but I am also in business to make a living and for me the BMCC will return a hundred times the investment I make. Please add your own thoughts to this thread as I am keen to hear what people are thinking on this subject. cheers

The people I know that got Scarlets soon upgraded to Epic.

@truestory I think BMCC is GREAT for the price , but it is a gen 1 camera and will be quickly forgotten as they release a gen 2 camera, especially if their next one is S35 and 4K and has a realtime workflow for editing the RAW footage. Plus, better buy big stock in Hard Drives with that BMCC if you want to archive that RAW uncompressed footage!

BMCC shouldn't affect Red sales as much as some other brands, as Red focuses on high-end Cinema, and in some cases BMCC will make people want to buy Red once they understand the value of Redcode and the workflow- let me explain...

The #1 main benefit of the Red Scarlet is recording compressed Redcode RAW at 6:1 or above onto 64GB cards. the second is the resolution of the 4k HD recording mode, and the 3rd is realtime editing established with Adobe. Consider the upfront savings on storage, workflow with realtime editing. Plus, Red is planning a Sensor upgrade path for the Scarlet for loyal customers.

Ultimately, I bet you'd make your money back just as well with the Red Scarlet (especially at that deal price) as well as the BMCC once you consider the total cost and benefit, but $2995 is insanely cheap for that camera's capabilities right now. It's all good.

JVC are also jumping in the full frame market,

You want to say "Panasonic is jumping into full frame market", as JVC is owned by Panasonic and now is more like division.

but JVC are autonomous with their R&D and product design

As far as I remember, this is not the case anymore, they are now more tightly integrated.

What stands in the way of using a regular SSD instead of a RedMag? is it firmware. RED obviously is just buying SSDs

@disneytoy The Redmag SSD media is "overpriced" at first, but turns out to be the least expensive item in the long-run... buy it once and don't look back, offload to external storage ASAP for redundant backup.

The real price you are paying for is the convenience not to worry about media support issues, hence why the proprietary connector and casing you could drive a car over.

If you are buying, it may be aqequate to simply buy a pair of 64 GB Redmag and rent larger Redmags for extended shooting situations or going to external SSD recorders like the PIX 240...

PS. I have heard of people buying the Scarlet and only recording to an external recorder, but to me it defeats the purpose of getting a 4K RAW camera in the first place

I just want to briefly throw in my comments on working with the Scarlet.

The image quality, file size (compared to DNG) and post flexibility are really desirable and there aren't a lot of "hidden issues" like with the GH2 (shadow flicker, ISO bug, etc.) so the learning curve can be a lot shorter than you might think on the shooting side.

It may take a little getting used to being so dependent on the touch screen if you are used to a camera with more buttons and dials (even the GH2), it's a heavier camera and the fan on the camera is typically quite loud whenever it is turned on but not shooting (though much quieter while recording) so keep that in mind if you want to stealth shooting.

Anyway, the camera was alread the cheapest 4K RAW option out there and these ones are cheaper still, so if you are looking down that route, it's definitely worth checking out. You'd have to spend over twice as much to get another model with 4K RAW support (Epic, F65 and the announced C500 via external recorder).

Red scarlet vs red one mx which is the best??

I prefer the RED ONE MX. I like the in camera created proxies and the framerate ramping. You don't get those options with the Scarlet.

@Sage and @Brian202020 Both are good tips... It's a good idea to try them both at a local rental house.

I think it's a true toss-up depending on what's most important to you. To me, the Scarlet-X upgrade to Dragon sensor and portability take the prize.