maybe this can explain some moire/aliasing problems ... http://www.photozone.de/m43/766_pana1235f28?start=1 @12mm 5.78% distortion ... thats bad ... most gh3 videos with aliasing/moire problems we're done with that lens ... French market test , photokina etc ... that lens @12mm is almost fisheye and camera need to do extreme distortion correction ...

I think some of you completely overestimate the percentage of the GH2 sales related to the hack, and even to the video side of the GH2. So why Panasonic should give us 4:2:2 and 10 bits in video instead of a better still camera, and a very good video one ?

I visit a lumix french forum frequently, and a lot of GH2 users doesn't do that much video, and even fewer will dare hacking their GH2.

Just for my knowledge, @Vitaliy_Kiselev could you give us the total number of registered posters here ? I think it should be quite close to the number of people who have hacked their lumix camera (as it's easier to download ini files when you're registered). It would give an idea of the number of people really into video with their lumix camera...

I strongly suspect that G5 is the potential successor of GH2. It just waits for Vitaliy and Driftwood etc. to unleash its full power.:-)

@Vitaliy, How did I know this much needed thread would be much less active than than the main GH3 thread? Many people just want to be on the main stage with their drama mee thinks ; )

My biggest three desires are 1) 120fps or better 2) multi aspect 3) Track focus. 422 seems obviously beneficial for Panasonic to include, since it will only offend many euro customers to exclude them from their dreams of producing TV flicks, regardless of whether or not they achieve their dreams.

Now that I kept with the topic, I will go against the grain of the topic,

I think it to say the GH3 is a dud because it looks video like is a bit of a misguided qualm, since the GH2 looks video like when it's stock/unhacked. Just like with the GH2, we really will only know what's fully in this toolbox if/when Vitaliy puts in some long hours and unlocks it with the help of some master patch makers. In simplest terms, the GH2 only looks so filmic because of this forum, and the hard work of it's generous members. I want, and expect more out of the GH3 from Panasonic before I will consider purchasing one, but they have nothing to do with image quality. To say it's a dud at this point based on image quality is a dud of a statement.

PS, I also say throw a video game like pacman on there for the long train ride home after I have used up all my memory cards but still have battery life left. Happens with two GH2 batteries, so it's bound to happen with the extended battery life. I joke... but not really. Give me Pacman, or better yet Miss Pacman !!!

considering TV Production: ( @mee ) it is not entirely correct that GH2 cannot be used for TV. Requirement for TV is still only 720p- and even sometimes only SD. Downsampled 1080p 4:2:0 might well be equivalent to SD 4:4:4 ;) just something to think about.

In addition to that, german tv flick "nachtschicht" was shot on GH2 720p50. Some way the guy managed to persuade the TV guys :)

@mee I agree with most of what you said except for parts of the TV specs. Actually, if they want it, they can use it.

I've been back and forth on the GH3 now and sanity has finally started to creep back in me. The truth is, until some real people use it in real situations AND it is hacked and tested, I have no idea if I want one or not.

Time will tell.

@Peternap @LPowell I hear you both, and honestly I don't personally need 4:2:2 as I doubt it is an issue here. I see all sorts of handycams paraded into shots on NHK (not sure why they are so fond of showing camera men in the shots). I just figure the European folks are already paying nearly double for the cam, Panasonic could surely sell more cameras by simply giving those people what they feel they need (however real the need actually is).

and to Peternap specifically, I definitely have the same view as to whether I want one. I mean, of course at a core level I want one, but truthfully the price keeps it out of my reach for quite awhile, so by virtue of poverty I have the luxury of putting any temptation out of mind, and just watching the fireworks. The G5 on the other hand may be more tempting in the near future once hacked, but that would mean selling my GH2... as much as I cringe at that notion, logic kicks in and says if I sell it for $600 now, I can likely by another in a year for $400 or maybe less. hmmmmmm.

I'm disappointed by the extra size. Just when I've completed my (small is beautiful) rig for GH2.

they can also strip out the evf and add a few hundred thousand more pixels to the live view screen. and am i crazy, or should someone just stick 1920x1080 pixels on a 4/3rd's or aps-c or FF sensor to see what that does for low light sensitivity.

Wether it's worth noticing, 100% of the stuff I've been mixing since the summer has been C300, full stop .. NAT GEO Discovery arty farty BBC, CH4 - all no variation C300 - went to take a call upstairs and saw ITV across the road (at ITN Grays Inn Road) filming cars (and me lol) on a C100 so the ENG crews are looking at what they know not what's best ... we can procrastinate and of course be right about camera choice (ahem lol) but in the end comes down to that production meeting and the compromise between your $$ and what post can do in the time designated - no cash and time to transcode - no Epic sorry -Real life day to day TV lads - harsh n shit lol

@mee I have to respectfully disagree with this comment. "since the GH2 looks video like when it's stock/unhacked"

My view is the GH2 looks good straight out of the box, many argue you cannot tell the difference when its hacked or not hacked, many have tested this. But the hack allows better grading, better postwork..it holds up better...it definitely does not change the entire appearance from video to film, that's simply wrong and if you search thru these forums you will see a lot of posts confirming what I have just said.

Bottom line is though, we can debate this stuff endlessly, at the end of the day those that like the GH3 will buy it, those that dont...wont. Those that are uncertain (myself) will wait and see.

@peternap I agree with your stance on this...basically wait and see. I was hot to get it

Now after seeing the footage....I am not..I am glad I feel this way actually, I find buying things in the heat of passion is usually a mistake LOL!! Cheers