Isn't it about time the Mac guys get some love?? SOOOOO many things have been made for the PC that the debate is not even funny.

This is a bleeding edge product, pushing the envelope.

Any tech has a teething time.

Do not fret, help is on the way... ;)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5829/a-first-look-at-thunderbolt-on-windows-with-msis-z77agd80

@PapasArts

"No, "jrd" did not say that (you're thinking of somebody else), and I disagree with that sentiment."

Yep. It was me. I still agree with it. :) I like the Tiger Woods and Mozart analogy... it's just got to be in yer blood!

@jrd "There are any number of highly successful filmmakers who didn't, and could never, succeed with a DSLR and a few thousand dollars."

I doubt this is true. But anyways, they were probably VERY fortunate with connections and money and only learned how to "direct" the hollywood way... by telling talented people what to do and then taking the credit. I agree, it would be impossible for most of "these" directors to work with a DSLR and a few grand... becaue they don't know how to make films. They only know how to tell others how to make films. :)

@Vitaliy_Kiselev BMD have always been a Mac oriented company. I don't think that's news to anyone ! From their point of view they think this because that's where most of their market is. The creative industries are generally also Mac oriented.

RE: RAW footage release, they are working on sensor calibration still. All my footage right now has dead pixels all over it. They are still writing the software that corrects this. There are also other bugs in there that cause some off issues with colour and artefacts. Now they know they can fix this, and already on my own blog there are lot's of complaints about hot pixels. Even when you tell people it's not finished, they still froth at the mouth. BMD would love to release some footage, but they are sitting on their hands until it's better than what it currently is....

jb

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

you can't argue with their "mac-ness" of their business if that's what got them to where they are today ! They have grown very quickly. A lot of people forget that the CEO started the company from scratch only a few years ago and they are now a very big concern, mostly off the back of Mac users. They are making money and doing very well... Well enough to decide to fund and decide to build a camera from scratch. Something that is not cheap at all, especially in the time they have done this...(a lot less than a year). They have PC support as well..they just lean towards MAC because that's where there customers are and what they know. It's dumb to have Mac Vs PC arguments, but the fact is, thats where they have their niche.

It's only Dealers that are accepting pre-orders, not BMD. BMD have a lot to prove and they know it. I'm sure if the software was that easily done, they would have done it by now. They know everyone wants samples.

jb

I'll get to play with one on Wednesday, I'll report back my findings.

the email I got said "hands on", so I'm assuming yes. I just hope they have something interesting to shoot rather than just charts and stuff. The last Panny demo I went to, they actually had a small, lit stage with actors.

@johnbrawley Good to hear they understand the "get it right" part.... Woz says Hi

Who's gonnabe the first to get kicked out for trying to shove an SSD in? xDDDD

From my experience the whole 'creative industry is Mac oriented' thing is pretty much yesterday.

17.05 Sensation! Stolen BM Cinema Camera measured only 10 stops in RAW mode, with 20% of pixels being hot ones. Horrible low light sensitivity detected. :-)

yeah, disappointing, I'll return it tomorrow.

What a piece of crap!!!! This thing needs to go back in the oven.

Where to begin???

Framerate limited to 24, 25, 29.97, and 30fps

White balance limited to presets ONLY like a fucking cheap point and shoot.

Shutter angle limited to presets ONLY (360, 270, 180, 172, 90, 45, 17??? No 144 for fluorescent flicker reduction)

ISO LIMTED TO 400, 800 and 1600 with no plans to change this!!!!! (native 800)

I metered the room at 1600ISO with my handheld meter and it gave me a 9 1/3 EV, f3.5 reading more than enough light for that Canon 3.5 zoom they had on, set the camera to 1600, 180 degree shutter, aperture stuck wide open, and the image on the reference monitor was clean (almost no noise), but dim and dull. Looked very underexposed.

None of the techs could tell me how many stops between 50% and 80% or 50% and 20%. WOuldn't let me hook it up to Ultrascope to find out for myself.

Will require 3rd party adapter to prevent ruining the camera the first time someone steps on the SDI cable and snaps it off from the inside. Not a sturdy card/connector build.

No Audio monitoring yet, but in the works, and you can adjust the levels in cam.

Touch screen menu is very nice, intelligently laid out. Not gonna be fun for people with fat fingers though.

Internal battery still blows.

You could toggle between 2 settings for gamma - film and video, (neither one seemed to change anything. Probably because the cam was stuck in raw mode, and wouldn't switch to anything else)

for $300 you can buy a BMD SDI to HDMI converter so you can continue to use a cheap monitoring solution, except for the $300 you have to spend on the adapter box.

No False color or onboard Waveform (which i was hoping for) - You can plug thunderbolt into computer and run ultrascope, so plus and minus there.

Stuff they say they are still working on:

Zebras are a simple off and on switch, no way to dial up the limit on them. They say this might change

They say they will have a manual white balance on release

Right now no way to control lens from camera, so all Canon lenses are stuck wide open. (They say this will change on release)

Verdict: wait on this one. cancel your pre-orders, wait till they get their shit together. Wait for maybe firmware version (what's RED up to now, 31???)...ver 31.5.1

Didn't stay for seminars, the place was pretty packed, and I was so disappointed with the cam, I could give a fuck about the workflow.

@shian

Looks like you had been very disappointed.
Sad that did not stay for workflow seminars.