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Driftwood Quantum X Settings, Series 4: Cluster v2, Mysteron, Sedna, Orion...etc...
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  • jfrojfro

    For those of you who are not getting card write fails, check your data rate. On the first attachment, that's walking around. I have about 3-4 files that made between 1 and 2 minutes before fail. Files are usable. Notice the data rate, 146-164 for avg to high. Then look at the 2nd, which was a failure after it spanned 1 time and then failed right as it got to 4gb. Both of the charts are from the end of the file when they fail.

    I'm really curious as to those who say they getting write errors Sandisk 30Mb/s cards or other type 10 cards, what are your data rates? Maybe your recording something that isn't near the upper limits of these settings.

    @YOSS.... I use Cine sometimes also, -2, -2, -2, -2. I can try that along with other lens, but if I find out some settings work and others don't, then I'd probably go down to something easier on the camera of bite the bullet and get a couple 64GB cards.

    Maybe I'd use just specific settings that work for family, but for client work, I need a little more variation and reliablility.

    On buying the disks, it just rubs me the wrong way to buy a camera for $700-$900 dollars and then pay $200 for a little 1 oz piece of plastic that's made in 1 pass by a machine. Lot more work and parts to make that camera. Just saying.

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  • EbachervilleEbacherville

    Mysteron successfully works on GF2 and GF3.. Great footage from these little cameras.. seeing over 107mbps recording to class 10 transcend cards.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    So, the current plan is that the first test will be Cake, GOLGOP, Sedna AQ1 A and Sanity at 60P, with and without EX mode using a Rokkor 58mm at f/4.0 at high ISO in Standard with -2, -2, -2, -2. If the response is good, I will repeat with 50P. Sound good?

    @LumixUser What is the "V" for in "Sedna AQ1 V.A".

    @Onionbrain Thanks!

  • weeyamweeyam

    @thepalalias Version?

  • EbachervilleEbacherville

    Another vote for spanning.. I'd love to have something like Mysteron that spanned.. even if it required different cards etc.. Especially if we can make it work on the GF line.. I'd love to use GFs as B cams for interviews etc. SPanMyBU wouldn't even span on my GF2.. However I didn't have a sandisc 30mb/sec card.. had a Transcend class 10.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    @Ebacherville Constructing a reliable spanning test will be tricky so it will not be the first test. I will see what I can do later on.

    @LumixUser Obviously you are not doing it wrong, it is just that since version is not required in the name to identify it, I tend to omit it (and others may do the same) so it did not occurr to me. Thanks for clearing it up. I have been gravitating toward short names (like omitting Quantum X from the start of them) a lot recently.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    Also, I figured I would hold off on Cluster until I can compare v1 and v2 against each other.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    @LumixUser Ditto. It was just unexpected, like when someone says "Panasonic DMC-GH2 Camera" instead of "Panasonic GH2 Camera". It is part of the name but you get used to the shorthand.

    Long story short: it was just the way it was abbreviated that confused me. I would have understood if it were "ver." or v followed by a number or the full word. So now that you cleared it up, it should be easy to follow.

  • KihlianKihlian

    @thepalalias I vote for 50p.

  • nomadnomad

    @thepalalias I vote for both 50p and 60p. They are both needed. Even for us Europeans (and Chinese, Australians and Africans etc.) using 50 Hz, 60p is attractive for a tad more slo-mo. OTOH, it's unnerving to always re-format if you need the 50 Hz frame rates too.

    Since 60p seems much harder to optimize, it's fine with me to test that first. AFAIK, 50p can be stable with GOPs of 3, while until now 60p only works reliably with 6. So, the feeling of motion might be different.

  • Zaven13Zaven13

    @thepalalias. 720p60, FSH, and HBR 30p

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    Okay, I will definitely test 50P as well.

    If I shoot the footage and put it up on the server, would anyone else be willing to volunteer to extract I-frames and post them? I normally only compare stills from intra-footage so I am not used to having to deal with that.

  • konjowkonjow

    thanks for 50p. there is not much about pal options 25p comparison- maybe one day. Span50 looks promissing in this

  • Nino_IlacquaNino_Ilacqua

    A Sedna example in shooting our new short movie...

  • From_ParisFrom_Paris

    Hello everyone, I know you do not like this kind of question but I try nonetheless. I just read this topic (Series 1, 2, 3 and 4) and I confess I do not see clearly yet.

    I start shooting a documentary for French TV in 10 days and I decided to use the GH2. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE:

    What is the 1080 patch 25P which is better? Obviously I need most of the maximum image quality. I Will use only SLR Magic 12mmn f/1.6, f/0.95 25mm Voigtlander and Canon FD 50mm f/1.4. I have 3 cards 32gb 45mbs. I Will use to 720p60.

    THANK INFINEMENT

  • StrayStray

    @thepalalias If you're testing 50p and 60p give the Span50 of @Towi a spin too http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/53932#Comment_53932

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @driftwood Sedna A AQ1 is so sharp and detailed did a shortfilm couple of days ago,... Thank you so much!!

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @thepalalias. hai ya ,.. Yep seaquake vs quantum v9b vs Orion v4b vs Sedna vs mysteron technical and vision test comparison .,,,,,.. ha ha,..

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @driftwood any news or tip about canis majoris ??? one serious question where did u get all these names? sea quake quantum Orion Sedna mysteron cluster canis etc??????

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @Lumixuser @thepalalias yep this guy is rite will do a serious test on Sedna A AQ1 vs mysteron burst ,..it will be the comparision for MAX ,.. Let's compare max first

  • gibgib

    @rajamalik I think they are all 'out of this world'

  • cjdincercjdincer

    As I was checking the ini files of Mysteron and Sedna, I have noticed that P, B scaling of Mysteron looks like this:

    1080p24 Scaling I=0x302, 0x403, 0x403, 0x404, 0x605, 0x404, 0x806, 0x808, 0x808, 0x806, 0x90C, 0xC10, 0x90C, 0x1818, 0x1818, 0x2020, 0x302, 0x404, 0x404, 0x505, 0x706, 0x505, 0x90A, 0xC0C, 0xC0C, 0x90A, 0xD0D, 0x1418, 0xD0D, 0x1B20, 0x1B20, 0x2424, 0x302, 0x404, 0x404, 0x505, 0x706, 0x505, 0x90A, 0xC0C, 0xC0C, 0x90A, 0xD0D, 0x1418, 0xD0D, 0x1B20, 0x1B20, 0x2424 1080p24 Scaling P=0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF 1080p24 Scaling B=0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF, 0xFFFF

    and sedna seems like this:

    1080p24 Scaling I=0x302, 0x403, 0x403, 0x504, 0x605, 0x504, 0x806, 0x808, 0x808, 0x806, 0x90C, 0xC10, 0x90C, 0x1818, 0x1818, 0x2020, 0x302, 0x404, 0x404, 0x505, 0x706, 0x505, 0x90A, 0xC0C, 0xC0C, 0x90A, 0xD0D, 0x1418, 0xD0D, 0x1B20, 0x1B20, 0x2424, 0x302, 0x404, 0x404, 0x505, 0x706, 0x505, 0x90A, 0xC0C, 0xC0C, 0x90A, 0xD0D, 0x1418, 0xD0D, 0x1B20, 0x1B20, 0x2424 1080p24 Scaling P=0x605, 0x705, 0x705, 0x806, 0xA07, 0x806, 0xA08, 0xC0A, 0xC0A, 0xA08, 0xD0A, 0xE10, 0xD0A, 0x1010, 0x1010, 0x1414, 0x505, 0x606, 0x606, 0x808, 0x808, 0x808, 0xA0A, 0xE0E, 0xE0E, 0xA0A, 0xF0F, 0x1010, 0xF0F, 0x1210, 0x1210, 0x1A18, 0x505, 0x606, 0x606, 0x808, 0x808, 0x808, 0xA0A, 0xE0E, 0xE0E, 0xA0A, 0xF0F, 0x1010, 0xF0F, 0x1210, 0x1210, 0x1A18 1080p24 Scaling B=0x605, 0x705, 0x705, 0x806, 0xA07, 0x806, 0xA08, 0xC0A, 0xC0A, 0xA08, 0xD0A, 0xE10, 0xD0A, 0x1010, 0x1010, 0x1414, 0x505, 0x606, 0x606, 0x808, 0x808, 0x808, 0xA0A, 0xE0E, 0xE0E, 0xA0A, 0xF0F, 0x1010, 0xF0F, 0x1210, 0x1210, 0x1A18, 0x505, 0x606, 0x606, 0x808, 0x808, 0x808, 0xA0A, 0xE0E, 0xE0E, 0xA0A, 0xF0F, 0x1010, 0xF0F, 0x1210, 0x1210, 0x1A18

    what I drive from this is Mysteron only stresses the I frames and no scaling for P and B frames. is this why mysteron is considered experimental? anyone has any idea on this? @driftwood sure has if you could share with us.

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @cjdincer see the 4th scale in iframes,..there are minor changes,...total 2 change in iframes it self,...cant u see??? i dont know what they do,..but as u mentioned mysteron only does iframes,..i went through the figures and found changes between sedna and mysteron,... no mysteron v1 is not experimental mysteron v2 burst is actually experimental,..which sedna u took here?? i think u should compare all 3 sednas with mysteron then come up with more sensible questions? even i am willing to know what u r upto,....

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @driftwood i finally found that you are using names from different galaxy and stars,.. VY Canis Majoris is 2000 larger than sun,.. so it means we can expect a quality nearly over 2000 times from stock??? he he,..just kidding,... we just hope VY Canis Majoris to be very stable,so good in post production and off course shoots superb footage or else better than sedna and orion,... best of luck!!

  • rajamalikrajamalik

    @gib yes they are out of the world,.... he he,..and VY Canis Majoris is something superb,...read about it,..it is 2000 times larger than sun,.. a star in a different system,... so VY Canis Majoris will be the greatest and brightest we are gonna get,..

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