The Telegram messenger became the second most downloaded app in the United States after Twitter permanently blocked the account of incumbent President Donald Trump, and Apple and Google removed the popular social network Parler from app stores. This was reported by The Daily Telegraph.

@zcream

Lets all download Telegram so we can listen to Trump.

And let us thank patriotic US elites for forcing millions of US users into Mordor made messenger.

Btw same guys still did not ban Tiktok despite orders.

@MikeLinn which messenger? Signal is open source

Which run the infrastructure of this closed-source messenger, that allows millions of people to upload large files and stream videos complety for free. Thanks god, there are such selfless people around in mordor..

@endotoxic

no interest behind at all, not even the goverment! impressive aint?

We have interests of freedom of speech and democracy, we need to catch the fallen flag and carry it with dignity.

Lot of laughs here :-)

But it reality, part of our elite blocked telegram while another part used it. Ended up in silent unblocking and most active guys fired.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has registered in Telegram and BIP messengers, the presidential administration said.

"Our president @RTErdogan is now in BIP and Telegram," the message says.

The administration added that on Tuesday Erdogan also launched his own channel on Telegram.

Very bad news for US.

How should this be understood?

People who executed orders of elite with too much enthusiasm had been fired :-)

We have elite generally understanding that they need informational independence, as they understand how market works. But we also have part of elite who just want to spread the legs and provide the hole, had been such for hundreds of years.

From one of my recent posts:

When capital is placed at the forefront of social organization, money begins to determine everything. Therefore, for capital, the ideal regime for organizing society will be such when everything (absolutely everything) is turned into a market. Including politics.

If politics is arranged like a market - with bargaining, free competition, professional political products and services (politicians, political strategists, mass media, PR, elections, etc.) - then in such a market the one who is able to pay the most wins. That is, the one who can buy specialists, technologies and form the necessary public opinion. That is, capital.

In such a mode of operation, the real, irreplaceable dictator in the form of specific persons or groups is always in the shadows. And in the arena of the political circus, professional political clowns are constantly changing, carrying out orders behind the scenes. Wasted and discredited actors are periodically thrown into the trash and replaced by new, even more fun characters. The electorate is happy. Capital as well.

Therefore, Freedom'n'Democracy ™ as the largest and most powerful capital, in an ultimatum order requires all other countries to strictly adhere to democratic procedures. In this case, he can freely enter any country, establish (buy) the required political regime and freely dictate his will. And all this is imperceptible, without unnecessary noise, under the guise of a democratic expression of the will of the people.

Those who refuse to turn their political system into a democratic market must be beaten and forced to freedom. To do this, Freedom'n'Democracy ™ has military bases around the world and military expenditures that exceed those of all other countries combined.

Why can't everyone in the world hold "fair elections" and be more democratic than the Pope?

If a country wants to pursue an independent policy, it simply cannot afford to host an open democratic market in which it cannot compete with the capitals of the world hegemon.

In this case, there are only two outputs:

1. Give up independence. Completely lie under the fincap and resignedly accept all imposed decisions, counting on the mercy of the new owner.
2. Abandon Democracy ™. Establish a political dictatorship with an irreplaceable political elite, covering all this with imitation of free elections.

This is why all countries who do not lick ass of leading capitalist countries are declared as bad and totalitarian. And leading countries always push them to change their choice and select option number one.

As for Signal

Signal still seems to be the smallest evil to me

It has horrible desktop client, code quality is bad, usability is subpar if you compare it all to Telegram.

Also one thing I do not understand is why all tech guys constantly refer to badly made niche products (that have some one or two internal functions made right) as solutions for masses.

For now Telegram is best quality chat client for desktop and tablets, and has best code quality with developers being managed proper way and result way better than all major chat clients.

telegram doesn't have end-to-end encryption in standard chat. Everything is stored on their servers. Maybe only temporarily but who knows. Having Russian owners doesn't give me a good feeling neither. Thanks but no thanks. your turn, Vitaliy :)

But @peaceonearth, Russians love you, they want your soul, e’ahem..sorry my throat hurts, they want to help you thrive in this world. Data in servers stored ? What are you talking about ? Servers ? What’s that? Telegram put messages on papes by hand and those notes aré stored in a bank with seven locks and a dwarf with black security clothing and it’s only shared when an emergency is due!

@endotoxic Time to choose your master as it seems.. G

@Vitaly Your answer did not clarify my question. It even seems quite a bit foggy to me. Might be just my personal view, but sorry, could you please be more exact in your answer if possible? Why should everybody trust into an client - server based encryption, where the trust into the server can not be garanteed at all? (Since its neither open source, nor is the host itself known to anybody.) When other, maybe a bit less feature rich ways to chat and talk in a secure manner are available, that work as well for the comm itself?

So your claim is: As Signal secure e2e encryption could be taken away any day, why not just choose a messenger that does come with this feature right from the start? (Or claims to come with it, but you do not know if its real or not..)

About the Signal protocol, sure you can check: https://community.signalusers.org/t/wiki-overview-of-third-party-security-audits/13243

Anyhow, I agree that relying onto a centralized messenger like Signal - may it be open source or not - may not be a good idea long term. But at least itm is seems way more secure to me than tlgrm, or even whatsapp, closed source messengers hostet by unknown/badly known party. In case Signal would suddenly change encryption or deliver a client that does so secretly, this would be reported by the community quite soon.

While I am quite sure you will soon tell me reasons why he is not trustworthy as well.. yet this still counts a bit for me: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/661313394906161152?lang=de

If it was just about me: I hate any kind of messenger that asks for my phone number... WHY?? Yet I prefer to contact those who are less into tech via Signal - than via whatapp (wurgs..), tlgrm or even plain phone.

https://conversations.im/omemo/audit.pdf Do you see anything that makes you believe this is not secure?( Asking seriously.)

Anyhow, maybe nuff is said bout this on this channel? Who knows..

I propose: 5TƐGAN0 FTW!

Or use all 3 for different things. It's hard to crack into all 3 at the same time.

The developers of telegram sit in Berlin , I thing. That is why I use it here in Germany.
And to follow pw of course.