All states should have stopped air traffic sooner, instituted a 2 week quarantine for all new arrivals, had lockdown for a couple months, mandated wearing face masks, guaranteed housing security, monthly stimulus checks, ordered social distancing and made mail-in voting available to all and there would have been few new cases.

Vietnam, a densely populated country of 90 million that borders China, its second largest trading partner and number one in tourism, took the threat seriously and as a result has had no new cases of community infection for months, and zero deaths in all. The only ones I saw flouting social distancing and face mask wearing rules here in Saigon were expats, the majority of whom appear to be rabid white nationalist Trump supporters.

No bullshit half-measures. No executive orders demanding immigrant workers return to meat packing plants so Tyson and Purdue could make record profits selling pork to China. No early reopening as cases are spiking. No criminally liable president telling citizens to inject disinfectant or claiming that the virus is a hoax.

Oh, and did I mention free testing and treatment for all? Oh right, that’s socialism according to “I take no responsiblity” Trump. LOL Fuck the WHO: a swift and fair trial of the current corrupt administration in January!

Funny that practically all Vietnamese adore Trump, because if he were their leader, we’d be seeing cases spiralling out of control like in the USA, Brazil and elsewhere.

worst of all is the total inaction on the part of governments to put an end to the destruction of natural habitats, the smuggling of exotic animals and the ongoing deregulation of the food industry - ensuring that newer more deadly viruses are certain to emerge.

@jonpais - If Covid Test was available to Vietnamese People you would not waste of your time bs in this forum. - Do you believe in their controlled media number? I do not and never believing anything from a communist country like Vietnam. I am Vietnamese.

@Vitaliy

You are right, let destroying the planet continue. Give big pharma all control over billions of lives! Great plan! Remdesivir will cost $5,000 to uninsured Americans. It can take decades to develop a vaccine, during which time, millions of lives will be lost. I didn't realize you were such a capitalist. lol

And you are mistaken why most Vietnamese like Trump - it’s because he began a trade war with their enemy China - and it’s the American people who are losing! What they fail to realize is that he has also placed huge tariffs on Vietnamese exports and is considering levying even more! haha Just because Trump dodged the draft doesn’t mean he is a friend of the Vietnamese. Trump has even said that Vietnam is worse than China! For what it’s worth, Trump has no allegiance to any country at all - shared history and culture, respect for human rights, form of gov’t. mean nothing to him - he only cares about countries that (a) suck up to him or (b) can be profitable to him personally or (c) have kompromat on him. lol

@Vitaliy Kiselev

1 So you are saying Vietnamese can’t go on social media to report deaths? Don’t be ridiculous! I live here man, and nobody is hiding any deaths. Not a single person I know has heard of a friend, relative or acquaintance becoming sick from Covid-19. wtf 2 Not sure what you mean by saying I’m talking about myself... you just said to give a handout to drug companies to develop vaccines that will take decades to find and cost trillions to Americans rather than going after the root causes of the problem, which are food security and regulation, fighting smuggling of exotic animals and the destruction of animal habitats. A supremely capitalist stance! 3. You offer no facts, just BS. The health and well-being of the population (where coronavirus is concerned, in any case) are more of a concern among the ruling elite in Vietnam than in many developed countries like the USA. lol 4. Even hardcore Trumpists living here believe there are no cases of Covid-19, and you know what? They're correct!

Vitaliy - rather than spouting more nonsense, give me concrete evidence that coronavirus cases are spiraling out of control here.

@Vitaliy Kiselev

"Are you suddenly try to prove that Andrew Raid was right and you want to show other side of yourself now on PV?"

Believe what you will, man.

@jonpais....hey I'm the first person to give credit to boots on the ground. My best friend lives in cambodia and he's a wise man and says the same. Although he's only been there about 5 years....so in reality, I know he doesn't really know shxte about the culture. It took me 10 years to know I didn't know shite, and then another 20 to know I'm never gonna know as much as "them". And as well.....none of the evidence you hold up as proof means anything. Nobody I know has been sick either. Nor anyone I've come in contact with, nor anyone they've come in contact with. As well, when someone says they're a particular nationality, it must be taken at face value, unless you have actual proof. @tinbeo, as vietnamese has an understanding of vietnam you as an foreigner can never begin to comprehend. You should dig into his understanding instead of burying it in mud. I say that as someone who is actually fluent in the language of my adopted country, which ain't easy. The truth is every last country on this planet are deceiving their people. I doubt the vietnamese govt is any different. Maybe Uruguay. And finally, since you're new to these threads, I'll give you a boost up. We. I and Vitaliy and nearly every other poster are 99.9% certain this virus doesn't have shxt to do with exotic animals. Maybe you should have started at page one, before jumping in with so much assurance. This virus is a lab animal so controlling the trafficking of exotic animals, or eating dogs at dog eating fairs...won't and didn't make any difference what so ever to it's beginnings. Maybe just maybe your pov on that subject has something to do with the propaganda your adopted govt feeds it's citizens. Now I don't know vietnam (thank god) because most americans who go there were there under "other " worse circumstances before. But I have all the respect possible for them not shooting every american on site who sets in foot in their country. That's what I would have done had I been king.

@jonpais...are you fluent in vietnamese ? ...and ps....wikipedia doesn't hold much weight for people looking for facts. I just did a 10min research on vietnam corona situation. Yeah...they did great. But you still can't believe 100%. One thing I've noticed about adopting another country. Sometimes we try to give too much credit. And V is right about masks. They're our best defense, at this moment we find ourselves....if we're not lucky enough to live in Vietnam. ....and here's a pretty fair assessment of the situation, but it also mentions Vietnams history of controlling information it fears.... https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/how-did-vietnam-become-biggest-nation-without-coronavirus-deaths

Also, sorry not to fall in line with you and others in the echo chamber, but twenty-seven prominent scientists, in an open letter in the Lancet, one of the world's most respected science journals, dispute conspiracy theories that the virus originated in a lab. I prefer to get my information from credible sources.

At PV we prefer to use grey cells instead of trusting "reputable sources".

I provided good link at Russian article explaining all the history of SARV like viruses development and research, that labs actually can do now and why making such virus is possible (at least on last 4-5 years). Also this labs openly stated and got funds on adapting SARS like viruses to be easy to transmit among humans.

Note that all this labs told that many years had been spent on getting useful results on SARS like viruses prevention and cure. Yet as outbreak happened they provided exactly ZERO results that could help with stopping viruses.

And if indeed it did originate in a lab, Trump has a lot of explaining to do, such as why he fired all the scientists working at the pandemic early warning center and defunded the program just two months before the outbreak, and why he continued to ignore dire warnings from his staff, putting the lives of millions of Americans at risk.

Looking at that WHO scientists proposed and that scientist near the Trump did early in Feabruary -march I amfully understand Trump. As we had not good experts mostly and iunstead bunch of unresponsible liers.

The dozens upon dozens of plagues, epidemics and pandemics throughout human history are believed to have been transmitted through contact with animals and insects, so resources would be better allocated toward preserving natural habitats and food security rather than spreading conspiracy theories expressly designed to help Trump, the most corrupt president in modern history, in the upcoming election.

Being anti Trump clouds your judjement as instead of data and logic you start to rely on authorities (false ones) and emotions.

Labs are able to make such viruses and this is Trump tries to tell eveyone about this. Progress inthsi regard is staggering.

But that all countries can work together to preserve the planet.

This is how it is in reality. No, capitalist countries can't "work together" until it is owner-slave (yes, politically incorrect language stil allowed at PV) relationship. As soon as you have equal powers it is very far from it.

@jonpais You were right saying no body in Vietnam died because of COVID, believing in Vietnam government facts. All I said “ if Vietnamese has tested like American, they would have this symptoms. “ All Vietnamese I know whom visit the country in Tet ( Vietnamese New year ) have some COVID Like symptoms. They comeback after visiting Vietnam, had some flu symptoms. Some old fox was died.

The fact is no test package is available for people in Vietnam , no one is knowing that they have ever had Covid. I am not talking from media or facts from them. Unless the lab- created - covid is for American or western people -;) no government could control this Covid but their media. So please think for yourself. I was growing up over there, still never believing your goverment , not mine now .

I should add this fact: Malaria, a common disease has existed after the Việt Cong , communist from North Vietnam brought with them into South Vietnam. I could say from my memories that all families had malaria after April, 1975. The communist Việt Cong from North forced South People got to forest where they call “ New Zone “ for laboring.Vietnamese might now has antibody covid treating using Quinine now what they call hydrochloriquine during that time-;). Ask and think for yourself it might be because of that there is no body dying of Covid huh Jonpais???

@kurth Correction: I never said "nobody but gringo expats are wearing masks."

Also not clear on why you refer to expats in Vietnam as gringos or why you said previously that you would shoot Americans on sight.

Gringo refers to non-Spanish speaking individuals, which would encompass many expats as well as Vietnamese.

You are aware that Vietnam is in Southeast Asia, aren't you?

I've met several expats here who hail from Latin America.

The term for foreigner in Vietnamese is người nước ngoài.

What's your point, exactly?

@jonpais.....I misunderstood your flouting comment to mean the opposite....sorry... but the word gringo refers only to americans and esp american invaders ! It originates with our invasions of mexico and central america. Green Go ! That would include americans in vietnam, but wouldn't include other foreigners in vietnam. It has nothing to do with "nonspanish speaking " . And you do recall that we murdered or were responsible for the deaths of some million and a half vietnamese , right ? Destroyed their country. Used wmd on it's people. Had assassination programs on civilians. Attempted deforestation by using chemical weapons etc etc. All based on lies ....just like everywhere else we wage war. It's a tribute to the vietnam people that they let americans in. If it was me, I'd be more revengeful. And , for example, a mexican living in another country doesn't refer to themselves as expat, unless they're dual nationality ? That's a western term used by americans and their allies. I prefer to use the word by it's obvious meaning ....ex patriot, of which, when it comes to americans , there's far too few. And I had a number of points , all were made clearly. When it comes to corona, you don't know what you're talking about. You're the one who's regurgitating trump propaganda , and don't even realize it. By hiding the real origins of the virus, you're helping them hide their bioweapons programs, and therefore, helping them to continue. And a gringo invader such as yourself can never know as much as a native. So give tinboa his due, rather than acting like the ugly gringo knowitall.