...and if they aren't a small elite group of individuals....then they aren't doing shxt like releasing a virus.

Class never makes such tactical decisions, but class interests force specific people and organization to act as they act. Simple.

Your theory is based on this economic model of how theoretical ruling class might act, not on any historical facts.

No, my responses are based on class theory that actually works and allows to actually predict and explain stuff.

And the whole world believes solzenitzin as well...it's called consensual reality.

Under "whole world" we have just poor citizens who had been injected proper injo by education and media simce childhood. This people will rise anyway, as you can't solve issues with media only.

And marx's idea attempting to connect hunter gatherers as some form of primitive communism analogy to his day is simplistic...because archaeology and anthropology were in their infancy.

As far as I checked modern scientific papers on the subject Marx had been almost spot on.
He also never attempted to cover this in great detail, but sharing tools, sharing food are real and present.

And I see I'll get no names to fill that ruling class list.

I told you again - read. As currect level of discussion is very low.

@Vitaliy....current discussion is always too low for u...but you never add any real facts. You just fall back on your diatribe. Here's what my readings lead me to believe. Power is regional, like resources. And all regions conflict with each other over solutions. If the release of the virus was intentional, it was most likely done by china's ruling class, not europe's or america's. They even brag about how prepared they were. Then there's still the possibility that cia did it on orders from the rothschilds ( or someone above ? ) but of course , not with the permission of china's ruling class. But then how were they so prepared ? Coincidence, superior intelligence, tip off. That's the top of the food chain, unless you want to discuss those aliens from andromeda ?

@kurth

.current discussion is always too low for u...but you never add any real facts

I highly respect opposite views but only if they are backed by real work of individual, if insividual also read opposing views arguments and understand basic definitions (instead of making fantasies and interpretations).

Yet I never tolerate lazy people who keep reverting to common logic and presenting mass media things as their own "independent view". My non tolerance is because such posts waste my own time and readers time.

your pov isn't backed by anything but just regurgitated simplistic political diatribe.

If you don't want to understand and read opposing views you don't need to attack them in such funny way :-).

My sometimes simplistic responses depend on the oppopents level in the topic, as their investment in the topic will rise - level of my responses will be much better also.

You've obviously been heavily indoctrinated during your upbringing, and repeatedly answer with programmed answers, and probably only know the world from experiencing it on the internet.

Next we have wrong assumptions (not understanding education here, not understandign time frames) with open personal attack (idea to belittle opponent stating that he don't know anything).

You're angry because you country went belly up, and like most individuals who are insecure, over compensate by thinking you're superior, hence your superior contrary to everyone elses common logic. And yes you tell everyone who disagrees with you about every topic, political or technical on this site, the same thing, Vitaliy. I've seen it for years. It's kinda of sad cause I'd bet it's a reflection. Maybe you play too much chess ? But I won't waste your time any longer...but infinitely more important to me, I won't waste mine.

I am not angry. And I am not superior, I just ask people talking on political or economic topics as they revert to common logic or not understand terms they use to first spend time and read things.

It does not mean I am better or smarter (most probably quite reverse!), I just spent enought time to read stuff and ask stuff, so respect me and readers. It is lot of shiot places where you can just chit chat nicely or start fights just for the sake of them.

But I won't waste your time any longer...but infinitely more important to me, I won't waste mine.

If you are interested in posting about politics and economics and not chit chat with your best friends at the kitchen - you should spend time on the topic.

You can get examples with my responses to Austrian economic school lovers. While it is extremely opposing views to mine, knowledge of their books shows that individual spent time and it can be interesting talk, even if sometimes hot.

Same way I respect all your posts on coronavirus where you spent time and welcome any different opinion here.

@Lincoln....anti trumpsters will now support the most absurd assertions and go to any lengths from biodefense industry agents in their attempt to defend their criminal industry by painting trump as one of those crazy conspiracy theorist. And then they try to give their pov legitimacy by making some historical metaphor with Iraq's wmd, that has absolutely zero in common with the issue. I don't care if the dalaifuxinlama himself said it came from nature, it's not true. Their whole argument is based on the idea that the virus would never have been designed as such thru their system of computerized genetic modification because that's not how it works, yet they have zero evidence of it's real source...only speculations. They said the computer model wouldn't have created the virus in this manner. What an argument. That's like saying goebbels didn't kill anyone because he didn't even know how to use firearms. For every specialist saying this, there's another suspiciously sidelined expert who contradicts their claim. But the obvious conflict they never can explain is why , when the earth's surface has almost 200,000,000 square miles, the virus began within a 10 square mile area that coincidentally contains the only chinese bsl-4 lab ? That's a one in 20million chance occurrence in nature ! .... or we can use common sense and think that because it escaped that near to the lab, it would be a100% chance the lab was the source.

I suspect many feel the same about the Skripals, Salisbury and Porton Down...

Army of The Twelve Monkeys claims credit:

In a couple of recent articles in The Epoch Times, Falun Gong appears to be taking credit for launching Covid-19, which runs counter to the anti-Beijing propaganda emanating from Pompeo, White House trade official Peter Navarro, and leading congressional Republicans. On March 11 and April 26, 2020, The Epoch Times ran two editorials suggesting that Covid-19 was not a virus caused by the Chinese government, but one intended to destroy the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its international supporters. The articles states:

“The spreading of the virus shows a clear pattern, which is, it is selectively targeting the CCP and is aimed at eliminating the CCP and those who are pro-communist or who have close ties with the CCP. All regions that are hard-hit by the virus outside China are those having intimate ties with the CCP, those who have supported the CCP in terms of trade, investment, or helping the CCP improve its international image. Likewise, individuals who have been the CCP’s supporters often find themselves vulnerable to the CCP virus.” The article suggests that New York City became a hot zone for the virus because of its financial links to the Chinese government and the presence of the United Nations and Wall Street, the latter accused of being a “behind the curtains financier helping the Chinese Communist regime prolong its life.”

The Falun Gong articles also contain a stark warning for New York City: “the priority is to start cleansing the CCP infiltration from New York.” Does “cleansing” include carrying out a mass casualty event by a cult that also targeted Wall Street, including three targets — MSCI (Morgan Stanley Capital International), FTSE Russell, Bloomberg Index — and JP Morgan, the United Nations headquarters, and New York City’s “economy, finance, commerce, media, culture, education, [and] Chinese-American community?”

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/05/04/cults-and-bioterrorism-toxic-duo/

Another cult link:

Followers of the doomsday church that is linked to South Korea's coronavirus outbreak were meeting in Wuhan until December

https://www.businessinsider.com/church-cult-south-korea-coronavirus-outbreak-meetings-wuhan-december-2020-2

Madsen doesn't say the epoch times released it, just quoting their bs claim. However the article shows their over the top obsession with anti-communism. Like most china bashers, who claim to have the inside scoop on what's happening in China, they are so clueless they haven't figured out that for the last 3 to 4 decades, China is just as capitalist, if not more, than the USA! :)

@jleo...they don't have to sue in international courts, they can use domestic courts and make claims on domestic chinese properties.

@jleo......it's falun gong madsen is pointing his finger at....and yeah, he does more than just quote.....if you read...."In a couple of recent articles in The Epoch Times, Falun Gong appears to be taking credit for launching Covid-19"....."If Covid-19 has a non-natural origin, such statements place Falun Gong squarely as a major suspect in unleashing and propagating the virus. " And just for political sake....when corporate interests are controlled by a state....that's fascism, not capitalism. Sadly the west is only a small step behind china.

The Chinese people should avoid being easily irritated by US provocations, and we must have patience to strategically maneuver with the US. The US is the one that is distressed. China should respond to US provocations in a rational, powerful and restrained manner, which will best manifest China's confidence.

Good words :-)

ccp should allow full open investigation into corona origin.

Why they should do it and not US and UK first?

They're acting like they're guilty.

No, they are acting like normal man usually responds to old time bully. Bully is now old, sick and completely deranged.

@kurth

They just had too much open lessons of US or UK behaviour to behave any different.

Bully won't stop anyway, so why deal with him like he is sane man?