You nailed it Kurt. Thank you.

@Vitaliy....I think you've done a great service to alot of good people where we can discuss this freely and openly. But, as well, I think that people , like jeo, that compare it to the flu are possibly doing harm to others who might because of his posts, not take it seriously. The political implications are something else entirely. And as you yourself are more than aware, those implications are completely based on what country one lives in. My opinion has always been to discuss the virus, and later we can worry about the political damage. I can't be concerned about something I might not survive to see. And ....just so you don't think it's aimed just at you, I'm dealing with alot of these people...some are even friends that I've known for years. Like I said ....normalcy bias works in both directions. Now it's working against alot of people who were right to not trust their govts about 911...and I could name another dozen other political conspiracies ( not the moon landings ) that have gone under the heads of 99% of the people, for example, like the okc Murrah building. But what I do everyday is try to find anecdotal personal experiences that give me as close to truth as possible under the circumstances. Of course msm is doing it's deal...but when you reach a threshold, and most stories are the same, you realize it's true.

@kurth

Comparing it to flu is good thing, as it spreads similarly and have similar complications.

Flu also has lot of statistics (and lot of it is mess). Present day showed that lack of complete PCR flu testing can be considered very heavy crime, as well as lack of real antiviral drugs (including individual drugs) progress.

Here comes new virus, and we have complete informational attack, economies shutdown. And huge mess with statistics. No scientific discussion is present, only "shut up, we need ventilators and refrigerators".

We also have lot of narrow specialists who can be good in operating ventilators in intensive care, but have no idea that can be result of using them in mass with this exact illness.

My own personal opinion is that we have key points to look at. Tests, their origins and availability. Ventilators, their usage, origins of idea to use them in mass. Why people are stopping breathing, are they actually stopping breathing? What happened with oxygen concentrators usage, as normally in complications you do not have any necessity for ventilation, but lot of necessity in extra concentrated oxygen? Why we do not see strong advice to use proper masks and get oxymeters.

Stuff just does not add up. We also saw big preparation compain in last 2 years and especially in last 5-6 months. Right before the storm almost all right wing sites had been thrown out of all main app markets and video platforms. And all of this had very little reason at the time.

Present approach of counting coronavirus deaths if applied to herpes simplex woud yield a 90% death rate. :-) For many other bacteria and viruses it will be close numbers. Why they specifically select this one?

My personal belief the truth it's always somewhere in the middle.

Truth is never in the middle.

Present media treat people as children, use simple words, simple explanations and treat them as dumb 8 year olds.

And in additional we have science that is heavy corrupted by ruling class and serves him.

May be in coming year this moment will be called "fatal mistake of capitalists". With people going out on the streets to celebrate and watch lot of them hanging on the trees along the road.

The mainstream media it's like you say for litle cildren but that doesn't mean we can't extract anything of it it's actually the thing that we report to and the conspiracy there are so many and it needs time to see and select the truth so I'll stay close to what I've seen all my life no one has the absolute truth.

It is interesting that US lefty and right wing now are in conflict and it reflects some conflict deep inside ruling class. And now lefty sems to be perfoming attack on the foundation of right wing - small and medium business.

https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/any-interesting-trends-from-covid-19/62004/256

@kurth

Masks problem is not just it is not enough of them. Masks problem is that we see goverments acting strange, full opposite for WW II time. WHo even today recommended people NOT to wear masks and instead just sit shaking in their kitchen looking at the empty fringe and numbers on the papers that they need to pay.

For US govermen it is possible to rize production capacity of proper respirators (not one time masks!) to around 3-6 million a day in around 2 week time, and double in another month time. And in same time start making 400-500 million pairs of cotton filters for them per day.

In next month all goverments must start making active assistance breathing devices as addons for this respirators with LiIon batteries.

Yes, it'll be big project, lot of engineers involved. but it is that they must be doing, instead of all this shitty briefings and false promises. I mean, if all this is real big threat.

It'll be huge optimism, real protection and economy will be constantly going up, slowly but steady.

Instead we have real suicide. As if all of managers are incapable, but are afraid to jump out of the window to give normal people to run the show.

Even if China it is pure horror. Where everyone is doing "mask" like things, lot of fake filters and try to profit from it. While goverment sit and looks.

Don’t know what is going on but it seems like nobody else does it neither....

Certainly an interesting take on the problem:

If questioning is forbbiden, if sceptics are prosecuted, then what is the name of that state of affair?

@kurth

We talked about Italian death rate, it can't be compared to other simialr viruses due the way they calc it.

An international poll of thousands of doctors rated the Trump-touted anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine the best treatment for the novel coronavirus.

Of the 6,227 physicians surveyed in 30 countries, 37 percent rated hydroxychloroquine the “most effective therapy” for combating the potentially deadly illness, according to the results released Thursday.

Another outlier is Nicaragua, where the socialist government of Daniel Ortega has kept schools open and convened mass rallies. Rosario Murillo, Nicaragua’s vice president and its first lady, said on Sunday that the nation could not come to a standstill and that “with faith we can conquer fear.”

Small business tragedy

Only those companies that already have a lending relationship, i.e., an outstanding loan with a given bank are - at least as of this moment - able to apply for the rescue funds.