What do we know about the novel coronavirus?

kurth

@zcream ....the later link in my post wasn't directed to you, hence the pss. The first part, about the virus not being as contagious in hot climates , hasn't been demonstrated anywhere. I understand your antecdotal logic, and it makes perfect sense. However I've read a dozen articles just about that, and no one has been willing to state it true, even using it to explain africa's anomaly. And I read all the linked material, so not exactly sure what you're referring to. If it was true, thousands of people would have booked flights to subsaharan africa by now. I've been linking to most articles on this thread which tie the virus to the lab, and even before, back to labs in canada and the US. I've said it was a bioweapon as soon as I discovered that wuhan had a bsl-4 lab. So far , much is just conspiracy, not that conspiracy should be excluded from any coronavirus topic. It shouldn't. All of our govt's are guilty of lying and subterfuge, at the least, underplaying their hands. Facts are, if you're over 50 or 60, you're in for a hard time if you catch this virus. The dumbasses pushing "it's no different than the flu" message are doing people real harm. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160

kurth

here's an interesting post....actually it's scary as shit... https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusFOS/comments/fbmdhu/sarscov2_virus_characteristics_contains_sources/

good source of info.....https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusFOS/

kurth

how to use n95 mask...

...this is obviously for first time use. Most of us will be using masks many times. Doesn't seem logical using this method for putting it on after it's been exposed. And how to kill those pesky viruses sticking to the outside of the filter ? UV ?

kurth

...this is one fuxed up bioweapon. List schizophrenia as a symptom and result..... http://www.chinaxiv.org/abs/202003.00003

zcream

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5

https://search.proquest.com/openview/04de2acab5e8c895b069844d98786c3f/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=39687

Cytokine storms are the causes of deaths in Influenza and SARS. Covid is most likely derived from Flu, SARS and HIV RNA. So, one of the causes of death will definitely be a cytokine storm. Of course, it can mutate and kill us in other ways too.

zcream

@kurth - The immune response to ALL virus involved production of White blood corpuscles, fever and sweating. The methods I suggested involve pushing heat and humidity in your lungs. IMO, this will work for all virus.

A virus is technically gene information that becomes a part of our genes. Thats why it can never be destroyed once inside your body. An argument can be made that a virus is not even a living organism. It is a sequence that attaches to cellular protein, takes over the cell and uses your own cellular reproductive capacity to replicate. Thats why medicine cannot kill it, as its basically your own cell.

However, its simple nature ensures that it can be killed via mechanical means. And that involves heat and humidity.

zcream

Here is the relevant para related to cytokine storms and Covid.

The pathophysiology of unusually high pathogenicity for SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV has not been completely understood. Early studies have shown that increased amounts of proinflammatory cytokines in serum (eg, IL1B, IL6, IL12, IFNγ, IP10, and MCP1) were associated with pulmonary inflammation and extensive lung damage in SARS patients.22 MERS-CoV infection was also reported to induce increased concentrations of proinflammatory cytokines (IFNγ, TNFα, IL15, and IL17).23 We noted that patients infected with 2019-nCoV also had high amounts of IL1B, IFNγ, IP10, and MCP1, probably leading to activated T-helper-1 (Th1) cell re-sponses. Moreover, patients requiring ICU admission had higher concentrations of GCSF, IP10, MCP1, MIP1A, and TNFα than did those not requiring ICU admission, suggesting that the cytokine storm was associated with disease severity. However, 2019-nCoV infection also initiated increased secretion of T-helper-2 (Th2) cytokines (eg, IL4 and IL10) that suppress inflammation, which differs from SARS-CoV infection.22 Further studies are necessary to characterise the Th1 and Th2 responses in 2019-nCoV infection and to elucidate the pathogenesis. Autopsy or biopsy studies would be the key to understand the disease.

zcream

Buy a large bag of tumeric and a large bottle of olive oil. IMO, thats your best best for a chemical defense. And push heat and humidity into your lungs. That will be your environmental defense.

A hospital will only work if its clean, sanitized and less than full capacity so there is sufficient patient care. In a pandemic, a hospital is a death camp. You are better off staying isolated at home with self-medication.

zcream

I have copied possible cures from the link @kurth has posted. This reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusFOS/comments/fbmdhu/sarscov2_virus_characteristics_contains_sources/

There is some hope! Various drugs and therapies are being investigated.

Remdesivir and Chloroquine show promise in inhibiting viral replication:

https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

CytoSorb, an extracorporeal filtration therapy, may help with cytokine release syndrome (a.k.a the dreaded cytokine storm):

https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorb-the-wuhan-coronavirus-and-cytokine-storm/

http://cytosorbents.mediaroom.com/2020-02-28-CytoSorb-Shipment-Arrives-in-Designated-Mainland-China-Hospitals-to-Treat-Cytokine-Storm-in-Critically-ill-Patients-with-COVID-19-Coronavirus-Infection

Angiotensin blockers (ARBs), like Losartan and Telmisartan, can potentially keep SARS-CoV-2 and similar coronaviruses away from ACE2 receptors, but they may have unwanted side effects:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11427-015-4814-7.pdf

kurth

@zcream .... I posted the chloroquine source a few days ago. I find that the most interesting because it's widely available and can be taken prophylactically, like when traveling in malaria areas. Just not for too long.

kurth

I had another idea.....from looking at how it's community spreading, esp in Washington state. To me....money could be the medium. It lives longer on surfaces such as paper. Money passes between people who aren't connected in any way. Just an idea when your passing those benjamins around.

kurth

https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Good news.

Seems like now all big sporting events will be held without public, just pro doping full athletes and lot of poor camera guys.

Nice.

kurth

well the trumpster said big rallies are ok esp if they're maga rallies. Others are saying if they get the virus, they'll try to attend all the maga rallies ! Just don't know who to believe.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@kurth

Well, without rallies people can realize that they actually hate all this guys and they have nothing to do with them at all.

kurth

Dr Campbell says China has recalled all their cash, and more info on protecting yourself....

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@kurth

May be nice bloody trick to fully ban cash worldwide? :-)

kurth

@Vitaliy...haha yeah you're right ...then they give us an rfid chip with their bitcoin if we take their vaccine.

stoney

Hey that's an express lane to a cashless society

zcream

120 billion USD for new not-qe and 8.3 billion to fight the virus. Shows the priorities that Trump has.

kurth

two good tips on staying healthy.... https://sciencenewsnet.in/safety-advice-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

kurth

ok ...suggestions ....2nd time I've asked....how to kill viruses on money ?? https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-warns-dirty-banknotes-may-be-spreading-virus-worldwide ....truth is, even scientificamerican doesn't know jackshit... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/dirty-money-can-the-flu-be-passed-o-2009-01-05/ ...wipe down with alcohol or vinegar ? ...microwave ? ...ultraviolet light ? ...use older cash with newer cash sitting for 2 or 3 weeks until viruses die off. Of course, if you live in a pure cash society like me, washing hands after every exchange is a given. I'm building up my iso alcohol supply ...to use liberally ! I've also read, if one were young and strong, on willfully infecting oneself while icu's are still empty....versus doing everything possible not to get infected. Appears a possibility, due to it's nature, the virus might not be so easily eliminated, maybe due to the hiv components, and people can reinfect at later dates if their immune system gets weak. I think I'm on the never-get-infected train ! Also I read today, there's 2 strains, one worse than the other, which explains alot. And @zcream....per the theory the virus doesn't survive in hot climates, I've been looking into Senegal, mainly because my brother has a research project there in a couple of months. And they have only 2 cases , but both patients recently came in sick already. Senegal doesn't ever get below 90 ! It would be nice if the coronavirus cooperated with us on this. Of course, we might be looking at this virus being a cold season yearly visitor for the future. Gonna be good for the beach crowd.

kurth

https://cntechpost.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-attacks-central-nervous-system/

jleo

We used to clean money by spraying with a colloidal silver solution. Then dry after a half hour.

Colloidal Silver Spray is used in Kennels, Catteries, Shelters, Farms and Stables worldwide, Colloidal Silver used in a spray bottle helps to reduce the chance of cross infections occurring between animals.

Probably cheaper and faster to just use alcohol wipes. You can also put the money under an infrared heat pad or lamp. Or take wads of cash with you into a dry sauna! There are also rechargeable infrared heat packs. Or you can iron the money with a steam iron!

jleo

Negative ions are effective at neutralizing air pollutants, viruses and bacteria. At home or at the office. having a couple large ionizers around your desk might be helpful. Ionizers fry the viruses and bacteria, they either drop dead and/or are sucked in by the ionizer.

https://homesthetics.net/best-negative-ion-generators/

DIY

https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Negative-Ion-air-ionizer/

The ionisers produce negative air ions that collide with suspended particles and give them a charge. The scientists believe charged particles aggregate together and fall out of the air, thereby disinfecting the atmosphere and stopping the transmission of infection.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3228-air-ionisers-wipe-out-hospital-infections/#ixzz6FnDGqWqo

The ionizer generates negative ions, rendering airborne particles/aerosol droplets negatively charged and electrostatically attracts them to a positively charged collector plate. ... The device enables unique possibilities for rapid and simple removal of virus from air ....

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep11431

There are also wearable ion generators developed for health care workers, immune compromised persons and frequent travellers confined to air cabins, buses and trains. Many airline magazines advertised the one made by WEIN Products. I've been using a WEIN ionizer since the 1990's while travelling. They may help without wearing a face mask, even if people are coughing and sneezing around you, just as long as no one sneezes right on your the face :) The original WEIN ionizer used 9v batteries available anywhere but the newer ones use Li-Ion batteries which are harder to find.

https://weinproducts.com/products/minimate-as180i-personal-ionic-air-purifier

https://healthy-together.com.au/products/ionmax-ion260?variant=43774687814

There are also cheaper Chinese versions on ebay. Haven't tried those but they might work too.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=wearable+ionizer&_sacat=0

Designer ion generators for rich people :)

https://airvida.co/en/airvida-m1/

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