So what's your definition of freedom of expression? @kurth

@mrbill....freedom of speech doesn't insult others. And if so, does it equally to all, which the silly charlie hebdo didn't do. Charlie Hebdo is/was owned by the rothschilds. It had an anti-muslim agenda obviously targeting french lower uneducated class. Why did they fire the cartoonist who made an anti jewish cartoon ? Do you think the french would have marched to support a holocaust denier ? And as V said, it was an intelligence operation like many before...i.e. operation gladio, meant to nudge france into line. France was getting a little uppity. They called for a palestinian state and the end to sanctions against russia. anyone falling for the official story is only promoting propaganda.

@GeoffreyKenner

I think you missed his point. As thing that he wanted to say is that freedom of speech has the purpose - obtaining different, opposing views that can have benefit to whole society. Society and law also makes difference between such views expressions and just cursing or insults.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev I assume I did miss his point, indeed, which is why I asked the questions and added an almost pointless word ("stupidity") which wasn't randomly placed here but linked to the 4th and 5th one just to see what would happen. @kurth I merely tried to push you to give a definition of freedom of speech that mrbill asked, which, I was curious to know too. I obviously already have an idea, it's not for me I'm doing it don't you think :p ?

It was an agenda to insult mulims, nothing more.

Not only :-) You can check their issues :-) But jews can't be insulted, of course. :-)

I never understood how liberals defend Islam and how they could support "freedom of speech" as long as it didn't offend anyone... Thats an oxymoron. Let's be real and think clearly, does Islam think that YOU should have freedom of speech. Nope. Especially if your a female. And I don't understand the Jew bashing from the left. Do you ever see a Jew strapping a bomb to their body and detonating it in a crowd of innocent people in the name of their god? Nope. Why are we so afraid of calling a duck a duck when it exhibits so many qualities of one?

I never understood how liberals defend Islam and how they could support "freedom of speech" as long as it didn't offend anyone... Thats an oxymoron. Let's be real and think clearly, does Islam think that YOU should have freedom of speech. Nope. Especially if your a female. And I don't understand the Jew bashing from the left. Do you ever see a Jew strapping a bomb to their body and detonating it in a crowd of innocent people in the name of their god? Nope. Why are we so afraid of calling a duck a duck when it exhibits so many qualities of one?

I wonder what kind of water do you drink?

...my little brother for whom I would give my soul to the devil and who's much smarter and skilled than me (not difficult really) has also started to use this nonsensical butter-brained discourse and it saddens me beyond words. Then I realised that his "group" had big interests in Israel; cannot really talk but it's absolutely unbelievable how deep and wide spread that network goes. I just hope it is not contagious 'cause it truly is a shame to witness such blindfold words, to hear a sensible, educated and compassionate being predicate like that, wrapping up righteous BS after BS in apparently coherent ideas and humanist ideals - I have given up to try and have a dialog, it's unidirectional...

BTW I'm german and sephardi jew descendant, one of those whose families (which includes Theodor Adorno) lost absolutely all during III reich... the ones who managed to escape CCamps. My grand grandfather opened the first cinemas in Frankfurt but never got out of Germany. My grandma died screaming "the nazis, they're coming, they're coming!!" - I know 'cause I was next to her.

But just to be clear I plainly refuse to be part of the hypocritical nest of lies behind the freedom of speech slogan. It is not needed super brain to smell the crap they've being feeding us since forever. Connect the dots (it is not a cat). Just dig a bit deeper that the fucking media's sugar crust... and for christ fucking sake man, open your upper eyes, start thinking by your own means and wake up!

A great doc about a crazed ideolog, lolz To be fair, I didn't watch the doc, but I do know if the fella He's good buds with another fringe ideolog, Chomsky I do not deny that media outlets of all types censor there broadcasts, especially here in the u.s. I'm glad I'm agnostic and don't have to close my mind to one such way of thinking

Elites need a scapegoat to deflect people's anger ...

...isis was created, just like al cia duh by the intelligence services to scare the boogeyman. I've never seen so much ignorance about world events. And put a camera in your hands, you people are dangerous !

and ewstrobe...if you're politically agnostic, I could lay hen's eggs !

and geoffrey....we have all kinds of limits on free of speech. They're called slander , libel etc. Also offensive speech can be construed as assault in many countries. There was nothing about free speech in CH 's cartoons. They were simply offensive. Any libertarian will define freedom by defining it's limitations. You're free to do, say, write anything as long as it doesn't protrude on the freedom of others. It's a simple enough concept. If someone wanted to really criticize islam or any other religion, they would actually need to know something about it, and that takes commitment. CH was ignorance baiting fools. You see , the fascist governments in power , mainly led by the US, need fools to blindly hate islam to justify their criminal wars. So they use childish tricks to play with childrens minds. It doesn't say much for people intelligence awareness quotient.