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  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @cbrandin "And does @brianluce have the intellect of a 5th grader?"

    No I never said that. I was just making an hyperbolic-analogy of two extremes.

    Explaining quantum mechanics to a 5th grader is difficult, just like trying to explain my "cold robot-logic" is difficult to someone who is just interested in the humanitarian aspects of society. I wasn't implying that he had the intellect of a 5th grader.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    Well... actually you did say it - either that or you made a manipulative and inappropriate analogy.

    So do you have a sufficient understanding of quantum mechanics to explain it to anybody - or are you just playing? I wonder, are you knowledgeable about the humanitarian aspects of society as well as the non-humanitarian aspects of society (whatever that means)? I see no evidence that you have any awareness of that side of things at all, or at least no interest. So who is lacking?
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @cbrandin "Well... actually you did say it - either that or you made a manipulative and inappropriate analogy."

    I'd say more of a "rushed" analogy. I should have picked something that was further from the source material as to avoid people miss-reading it. I was just typing fast and it was the first thing that popped into my head.

    I forget sometimes that there are people here from different backgrounds and parts of the world. What reads as sarcastic and hyperbolic to me... may read very literally for others.

    It's hard to debate on the internet sometimes. The slightest variation in inflection, in person, that make-or-break a statement's intended message, doesn't work in typed-form. I'll have to make sure my statements read more correctly before posting from now on.

    @astraban "Ps : to say the true, I really regret my poor english. It s very rare here to debate seriusly w/ a rock solid libertarian guy. And even if I m totally against your ideas(!!), I respect them and you - not considering you like an idiot."

    Yes, you too! Debate is always good as long as people don't get too personal. Which, from the looks of it, it may be getting to that point...

    BTW, I almost majored in Sociology! haha go figure. That's why film is so interesting to me... It's almost like applied sociology/psychology.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    OK, good enough. Part of the advantage of the internet is that we can refine things in real time - which is a good thing. Precision is good - even when it takes a couple of rounds to get there. Let's just hope that things are presented in context, rather than in isolation. Ha, if we were in politics, there would be no chance of that!
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @bwhitz

    Try testifying in court as an expert. I have to disclose everything I have ever said publicly or published anywhere. It's incredibly stressful because I have to justify everything I've ever said or written. It seems unfathomably ridiculous - but to be honest, it keeps me from saying anything I don't really mean - and that's a good thing.
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @cbrandin "It seems unfathomably ridiculous - but to be honest, it keeps me from saying anything I don't really mean - and that's a good thing."

    Yea, that's definitely good. Especially in a few years down the road... everything we do on the web will be made public. Scary... but I guess if we want access to all this great knowledge and information, it's going to come at a price. Best to start practicing sooner than later. :)
  • cbrandincbrandin
    Yeah, my situation is just a precursor to what everybody will be faced with eventually. With all the unfortunate things that come with the internet - this is one very good thing.
  • cosimo_bullocosimo_bullo
    @davhar -

    >Being "more compassionate" and "helping each other" are not really going to cut it... it's much bigger than that.

    'So long as I live... I hope and pray I never believe such drivel.'

    Thank you. Me too.
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    >this is one very good thing

    I doubt this "good thing" statement.
    Every guy must have ability to do stupid thing, dangerous things, say fuckingly strange things.
    This is nature. Going from nature is bad thing.
  • brianlucebrianluce
    @bwhitz
    "Explaining quantum mechanics to a 5th grader is difficult, just like trying to explain my "cold robot-logic" is difficult to someone who is just interested in the humanitarian aspects of society. I wasn't implying that he had the intellect of a 5th grader. "

    1) you're not particularly logical at all. In fact, if I had a dollar for every non sequitur you've used, I wouldn't be interested in the GH2 hack because I'd have enough cash for a RED Epic.
    2) Who says I'm only interested in the humanitarian aspect? I'm interested in solutions. A good solution should include humanitarian and pragmatic elements.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    So is the drivel you hope to believe is that compassion and helping each other play no role? This is a false dichotomy.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @VK

    I agree completely, but one has a right to only that - not the right to loud anonymity.
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @cosimo_bullo "'So long as I live... I hope and pray I never believe such drivel.'

    Thank you. Me too."

    Hell, me too! And I'm the one who said it!

    But really, these issues are REALLY REALLY big. Really big! We're talking about SEVER resource and energy shortages and over-population. Helping each other and being compassionate are great things... don't get me wrong. But they are just not "solutions" so to speak. They'll help us get though tough times... but they won't prevent them. We need serious analytical thinking and re-designing of global infrastructures if we're going to build... a future worth living for. (hahahah so cliche, I couldn't resist)

    What makes one family or society happy... may not hold true for another. This is why solutions need to be based on objective reason, rather than on emotions.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @brianluce

    With the time I've spent on the GH2 hacking project, if I had billed the time (and believe me I can bill as much time as I want) I could have bought several Red cameras. I do this for fun - it's clearly irrational!
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    >not the right to loud anonymity.

    What is wrong with anonymity?
    Anonymity, hiding, conspiracies, treasons are all extremely important parts of the progress for thousands of years.
    Even more important than a wheel and light bubble :-)
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @brianluce "you're not particularly logical at all."

    That's just an opinion. I can provide contradiction free support for my statements with facts. Can you?

    " In fact, if I had a dollar for every non sequitur you've used, I wouldn't be interested in the GH2 hack because I'd have enough cash for a RED Epic."

    But the GH2 is nice and stealth... if you're doing allot of guerrilla shooting... it wouldn't be very logical to use a Red Epic!!!
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @bwhitz

    But you're being the one who is being irrational. You have produced not a single thread of evidence to support your point of view.
  • cosimo_bullocosimo_bullo
    Vitaley says men should have the right to speak, true. But in the past when such heartless, stupid things were said - such as have appeared in this thread - in public, and this IS public, right? - the speaker would have to worry about getting his ass kicked.

    This kind of racist chickenshit Ayn Rand/National Socialist crap would not hold water in the neighborhood I grew up in.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @VK

    I said "loud anonymity". I suppose you are right. Personally, I prefer to be amongst those who are held accountable for what they say - it's just a personal preference. You may disagree - but I know better. That's a big compliment to you - by the way.
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @cbrandin

    What? Yes I have.

    Basically... I believe in social Darwinism. I believe this to be correct based of the principles of evolution that have lead us this far. The economy, in it's simplest explanation, is nothing more that a complicated system that rates our performances as intellectual and biological specimens.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @cosimo_bullo

    :)

    Chris
  • cosimo_bullocosimo_bullo
    Time to back down a bit, bwhitz:

    http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/thesocial.htm
    http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007457
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

    The hole's getting deeper, and it's time to stop.
  • brianlucebrianluce
    @cbrandin

    Yeah, my situation is just a precursor to what everybody will be faced with eventually. With all the unfortunate things that come with the internet - this is one very good thing.
    >>>>>

    Okay, you're being coy, what kind of trouble are you in? Testifying against the Mob? Found video footage from Area 51? Got Bigfoot trapped in your basement? WHAT WHAT WHAT!


  • bwhitzbwhitz
    "This kind of racist chickenshit Ayn Rand/National Socialist crap would not hold water in the neighborhood I grew up in. "

    HAHAHA Socialist! Ayn Rand was all about the free market, capitalism, and individualism! This is just further proof that people throw around Ayn Rand's name without actually understanding what she stood for.
  • cbrandincbrandin
    @bwhitz

    Wrong! If social darwinism by itself were correct, there would be no mammals. It's a simplistic argument that flies in the face of reality, which cannot be explained by a single easy to understand dynamic.
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