Just to check-in. Extraordinary amount of houses/apartments up for sale over in Spain. And everywhere Ive been property is way overvalued - like 2008 prices. So many half-builds too.

Driftwood has a valid point. Why are the prices still very high? Besides nobody can buy just one apartment or condo from an empty complex since as the only "owner" one would be responsable for all the running costs of that complex if the selling party would default.

Miko why don't you make a 3 minute short out of your film? For my attention span 50minutes is way too long.

In reality it is all completely pointless

I couldn't disagree more Vitaliy. seems to me one thing is expecting a single action changing the entire universe (which actually is conjectured right), other thing is doing nothing, from a social-dynamic point of view. Status quo is what it is, yes elites, yes middle class and YES utopia... have you never taste the bittersweet gin-utopia?

A trailer of a crowfounded doc a friend of mine did, so PapaRomeo won't suffer :P I Love you, I respect you, I need you

I couldn't disagree more Vitaliy. seems to me one thing is expecting a single action changing the entire universe (which actually is conjectured right), other thing is doing nothing

No. I just told that current form clearly do not bring any results.

@maxr

Can you just list us results? Did they managed to stop throwing our people by banks? Reduce unemployment?

Personally, I prefer a more Ayn Rand-style libertarian model where people keep more of the fruits of their labor and government doesn’t exploit the practice of inefficient redistribution to maintain it's corrosive grip of power over the people.

Fun thing is that if you look at the countries with best life level you'll find that they they have much less individual freedom. Also now international corporations are implementing sthings proposed by old witch (I mean Rand).

Suppose you are worker at the big firm. We fully removed corrosive goverment grip. No minimal wage exist. For each place it is huge fight with significant unemployed people who live in total poverty (remember, you removed corrosive grip to help inefficient workers!). You pay special monthly insurance for energency medical help and for crime protection. As salaries are very small due to big competition, only few can allow to pay for them. Huge areas exist with enourmous crime rates and constant epidemies. Do you need me to continue?

Such position usually arise due to very weak knowledge of economics and history.

@Vitaliy

Can you just list us results? Did they managed to stop throwing our people by banks? Reduce unemployment?

jaj aja ja aj my friend (don't get offended) you make me laugh.
it seems, at least to me, at long run most of social clashes (well, as we've got plenty space, let's include political doctrines, forms of government, social movements... or shall we just say civilizations) have become a fish with the tail in its mouth, but isn't that struggle what keeps us busy, growing, evolving (better or worse, perspective pending)? that said of course "those results" are also needed BUT that doesn't mean you're not getting any results gathering with other many hundred of thousands in same situation, discussing (implementing decentralized autonomous "solutions/patches/hacks*) and protesting, letting out your rage/indignation AND LOVE (yes I wrote love). anyway... chinese have a proverb that I feel better answer your questioning back ;)

everybody knows the usefulness of useful, few know the usefulness of uselessness

you may change uselessness for pointless :P

@firstbase As a student I started an entrepreneurial business 35 years ago, in Australia, which was essentially fully 'socialist' at that point. I had no problems with lack of "liberty." Those concerned with "liberty" need to start looking more carefully at history, IMO...

Myself, and I'm a Spaniard still living in Spain (hope I can quit this place ASAP) FULLY AGREE with Vitaliy Kiselev. Protest have taken us nowhere. For example, there were a million signs which got a popular legislative iniative to the congress. What was asked was nonrecoursed debt, as actually, banks can take your home and still ask you to pay the debt.

Now, the woman who did that (she's a lobbyist, let's not forget that neither, wether it's more ethical or not than the petrol lobby or whatever) is being called by our government nazist! Why so? 'Cause the government actually did nothing, and so, the association PAH (which defends those affected by the mortgage) called people to scratch politicians homes. They just go to where politicians live and start to scream and so on, no violence, totally legit.

What's going on here, though some may not realize or say the truth about it, is total fascism due to:

1. Lobby's power.
2. Corruption in the form of parties being financed by those lobbies for let's say "favours" (you get that megaconstruction that will never get used, we then rebuy the property and sell it again due to bad administration, yet the state keeps the debt).

As almost any democracy, for as long as parties are financed by those with the money, democracy for the poors is a dream, not the truth.

For as the protests, I believe there are two ways of reading the social problem:

1. This new protests which defend the use of violence are being very lowly followed. Protests are declining 'cause there's nothing to be done.
2. There is a new kind of violent protest, that's not happened before (violence has been there in lots of protests, but not a call for violence).

People is getting more and more angry, I believe lots of us have seen that peace has never brought drastic changes now needed, politically, socially, economically. What's gonna happen I don't know, but things are really wrong, going towards a 100% of social debt.

This video can be good to understand better:

@ahbleza

I think you can consult lawyers about ways to prolong our visa or get new one :-)