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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • _gl_gl

    @niGGo, the numbers make sense if he was thinking uncompressed. But yeah we'll have to wait for details.

  • SangyeSangye

    We don't know with certainty that it shoots a full 1080p of RGB resolution, due to debayering. Although those MBps numbers @_gl came up with do look roughly accurate, no one should be comparing them to the Mbps figures that GH2 hacks are rated at, without acknowledging that 1 MBps = 8 Mbps. So if this camera is doing 50MBps compressed RAW, that is 400Mbps expressed in GH2 terms.

    If this camera supports UHS-1, and there is no reason I can think of why it shouldn't, then there should be no problem writing to SanDisk's 90MBps write-speed Extreme Pro cards, even in CinemaDNG mode.

  • MordaeMordae

    Hmm... The ProRes is 27.5MB/s then. I guess I'll go with that if I buy this. Plenty for me. That should fit around 40 mins on an 64Gb? Or then I screwed up the calculations. Again, plenty for me!

  • MordaeMordae

    @Sangye I think they said at some NAB video that those are basically the only cards they've used themselves.

  • SangyeSangye

    One question I have is whether there would be any advantage in shooting CinemaDNG and transcoding it to ProRes 422HQ, over shooting ProRes 422HQ in camera. I'm assuming there wouldn't be.

  • joesivjoesiv

    @Sangye under some scenes you may get a higher quality output due to it being a lossless (not compression artifacts) format. Also depending on how good you are on setting up the camera before you hit record, you may get better color due to white balance tweaks that can be done on RAW. You also might be able to pull out a bit more from highights/shadows from RAW.

    Oh, and it's possible that ProRes would apply other processes that you might not desire (such as sharpening/contrast/NR), but I'm not sure what BBMD does with their image pipeline

    For most uses ProRes seems like the way to go though, as it removes a big chunk of the post work, just setup your camera right on the field.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @Sangye more than one advantage! Much more range and flexibilty in post & grading. Exact white balance in post production as all bmd cams have no manual wb, just preset steps.

  • stoneystoney

    It'll be great if BM firmware supports ProRes settings on gamma and high/mid/low curve. That might be huge time saving if one know what he's doing.

  • DailyFilmFixDailyFilmFix

    Did any of you notice that the GH3 has jumped in price in the last couple days? On Amazon it is now $1499 (I noticed it on my wishlist). That's a one or two hundred dollar jump. Could the announcement of this camera have anything to do with it? Probably not.

    Seems counter-intuitive, but maybe the delay will have some effect on those who need a camera now and know that they can't get the BMPC until July. According to B&H, the actual date for the arrival of the BMPC is July 25th. Maybe between now and then some productions will go with the GH3 instead of waiting. During that window, Panasonic may be able to fetch a little higher price. Maybe I'm completely off-base.

    But consider what some folks are saying on this thread. Some, like me, are thinking that upgrading their GH1 or GH2 is now not necessary and the answer will be the BMPC. I'm sitting here taking a break from editing a doc feature shot on two GH1s and the HMC150, and honestly, having a little more DR (and that 4:2;2 color space) would really help with grading. But having gotten comfortable with handling exposure, focus, and white balance not to mention film profile on the GH camera, I just can't imagine how crazy the BMPC would make me. I'd never let anyone see my footage and become a vampire color grading in DaVinci til the break of dawn. And don't temp me with them gamma curves...

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    @DailyFilmFix. I saw the Amazon price bump, but B&H was still at $1298 this morning.

  • ntsanntsan

    The GH2 also has been rising in price, body only could fetch for $700...

  • kurthkurth

    what i'm wondering is why there's 3 used gh3's at bh.....and absolutely no gh2's to be found anywhere . that tell's me something

  • soundgh2soundgh2

    rant edited :)

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Uhhh, what? ^

  • trevmartrevmar

    @niGGo. It all depends on whether you believe the UHS-1 specification or the "95MBps" in their advertising. These are what I buy: http://goo.gl/uqkhU and they measure at 46MBps/read and 29MBps/write with my fastest Expresscard adapter (and CrystalDisk Mark).

    Has anybody here actually measured those "Extreme" cards and validated their speed claims?

  • RRRRRRRR

    preorder in for it.. :) I have a feeling it´s the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    @trevmar A few people on here have measured them and I've seen reports of 90MB/s but not 95.

  • manstokmanstok

    Hhmmm a tiny, little mic, just in case, is it there? If not, I think I will miss it. Hard time to sync audio if you recorded external and perhaps had a broken cable to the camera?

  • trevmartrevmar

    @vicharris What adapters did they test them in, Vic? I can't find any adapters near that fast, and I have tried many..

    I did some maths - if a 128GB card lasts for only 30 mins then the data rate would be approx 71MBytes/sec

  • _gl_gl

    @trevmar, agreed. The lossless compression ratio will vary depending on the image complexity, so they are probably quoting for the worse-than-average case (else they'd get flak later). Plus they have to factor the worst-case into card speed compatibility.

    Also I don't know what the exact size of the BMC 2.5k RAW frame is - anyone know?

  • johnnymjohnnym

    Specs are here : http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagiccinemacamera/techspecs

    My 286 from 1990 had 1MB of RAM and 40MB of hd storage.

  • AriaAria

    @manstok, you might consider this little mic for the S16 BMC

    Olympus ME-52W photo Oly17_zps85360abc.jpg

    http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-ME-52W-Noise-Canceling-Microphone/dp/B000MYPPPE/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1365633754&sr=1-8&keywords=stereo+microphone

  • TrackZillasTrackZillas

    @soundgh2 Soo True the audience don't care about tech specs like S16, or S35.. give them what they want which is great story, composition and images. This little camera / beast is liberating soo many from the 8bit shackles. So many complaining about DOF.. S16 have enough DOF, and another plus of S16 is you will be able to focus much better less maintenance I love it my A Cam any day even when I have access to higner end cams like Alexa, C300, Red..

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    Soo True the audience don't care about tech specs like S16, or S35

    +1

    It's true that they care about noise and grain to a certain extent, but these modern digital s16 sensors are as clean (or cleaner) than s35mm film. So it doesn't really matter anymore. That's really the main reason s35 was used... for it's grain and latitude characteristics... not really the DOF.

  • TrackZillasTrackZillas

    @bwhitz Right on digital sensors are soo clean.. John Brawley & the CEO of Blackmagic Grant Petty said that it's identical to the BMCC Camera image wise that's insane for $1,000. Can't wait to get my hands on this little tech marvel. Did you preorder yours yet, Preordered mines since yesterday.

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