It's still her right and her friends right to comment.

I do not agree here. Some filter for crap must exist, in nature such filter always work. Especially it concerns antisocial networks who promote dullness and unnecessary activity for people who have nothing to say and show.

I guess blame Steve jobs, or every smart phone company that slapped a camera on their product?

Smartphones have nothing to do with it.

And without appeasing "smart phone photographers" with Instagram and such, the photography market would REALLY be flooded with rubbish. I don't expect anybody to agree, just another "OPINION" of mine.

Also, if a person post crap pictures, to go the extra mile and read the comments, is willingly going out of your way to waste time.

Another Great Quote by the way - "The Best Camera is the one you have with you." - Barry Staver

Could not be more true.

I had never knew who said this, but any photo/videographer CAN NOT deny it. +1

Another Great Quote by the way - "The Best Camera is the one you have with you." - Barry Staver

Amateur porn streaming would have killed the porn movie industry if it had not adapted to the new game. Similarly in applied arts and crafts, like wedding or event photography etc. people just want to spank it off, and thing that turns them on is the thing that they easily relate to and identify with. Amateur porn, instagram, most of vimeo. Same shit. No one cares for skill anymore, because the amount of crap is so huge that most likely have never seen real art.

"Artistic" expression that could have been codified has gotten so exploited by all kinds filters that it does not get over the threshold anymore, instead it looks cheesy.

Luckily it is not what art is about, it is rather about discovering new not moaning about that pile of crap. For thousands of years the cycle repeated, innovation - mainstream - copy, especially evident "...in the age of mechanical reproduction" as Benjamin have put it.

Digital post processing is not to blame, it is professional's tool to make their work stand out in that pile of crap. In the same time the trade off is that it allowed the amateur's shit to look better. So what. Same goes for every tool. The problem is the distribution and the education and general population's exposure to crap.

@mirrorkisser

The way it sounds, you have been directly affected or emotionally scared by the likes of modern day technology. I'm not sure if it's affecting how much you get paid or what. Think about all the CRAP music the floods the Internet now days because in a way "the Internet can make you famous" and it's to the point where the Internet is mostly a promotional tool.

If you don't like the work you see online.....go to an art gallery.

@gravitatemediagroup: no m8, no scars at all! I am a relatively young chap (just recently passed the 30), so modern technology is not yet an issue for me, just those weard things on wire they talk into and say they can talk with it to people hundreds of miles away, that is vodoo bullshit in my opinion.

And believe me, i support anyone who tries himself in any form of art. Its wonderful, helps you to get in touch with your self, even if you just draw little houses with a pencil. I am all with C.G. Jung on that one!

The internet sort of replaced the art gallery for many. I hate to single him out, but look at your friend rajamalik, he advices the community a lot of stuff, still he manages to grade anything into orange aliens. He is one of the disciples in your legion. Imagine someone who is new to this coming to this forum and taking all his stuff for real, trying to copy him. This can spread faster than fuckin Ebola. And now imagine that guy on RAW!! If he is butching gh2 footage in a way that makes the texas chainsaw massacre look like a bingo evening at the home for retired nuns in Yorkshire, what will he do to raw and spread with it?

Maybe the problem is not that those people contribute. But that many take themselves for pros, give silly advice and set the foundation for a new style. If those people were a little more humble, that might already help a lot. In fact those people mostly neither know the craftsmanship of filmmaking or photography nore to they contribute in the field of arts.

Call me a nostalgic and try to turn this into proof of your accusation, but today we have probably more "filmmakers" and "photographers" than ever. Still i dont see any new Tarkovsky, Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini, Bunuel, Bresson, rarely anybody who has an artistic soul. Yes there are a few very good ones outthere (Lars von Trier, Bela Tarr, Dardenne brothers, Tarantino, Christopher Nolan just to mention a few) but mostly its just a legion of self-declared pros.

You cant stop progress and it would be utterly stupid, everything changes. But you can guide changes into the right direction and support things that are worth being supported.

My guinea-pig starting a "professional"-raw photographer career is not among those things.

@luxis, right you are m8!

@gravitatemediagroup: he might also be part of harekrishna and listen to sergeant peppers lonely heartclub band all day and have a faible for hallucinogenic stuff...

I never denied that technical progress is there and that its bad in general. You can take the internet, its a wonderful invention, free access to knowledge for everyone (well except if you live in north korea), but what do people do with it? They mostly surf porn and post pictures of cats on facebook.

With camera technology its the same. Those people who could only commit smaller aesthetic crimes in pre-internet and digital times, they can now release shockwaves. Its like one day everybody will have a doomsday-device (rip peter sellers). I think its wonderful if people use that technology and do their stuff at home or go to a forum ask for advice or say, hey thats my new picture. But if they start to see themselves as standard or set standards or hand out so much wrong advice, but oh well...maybe we have to accept that. I just hope there wont come a day when i preferred to be blind instead of having to see all this crap.

how do you feel when nowadays 50% of the stuff (more and more tv shows look like that now) looks that super soft canon look, every shot super duper shallow depth of field just for the sake of it and not part of any visual language, camera movement in EVERY bloody shot, without being motivated by anything but the "DOPs" vanity. So little skill of composition.

And i hate to keep lying to family members and friends who think they know it all about photoshop and show me their terrible totally oversaturated badly graded with no sense for composition, but still trying to be arty instead of at least capturing something personl in their footage they shot on their last holidays. For crying out loud, i am a social being, i just cant tell them all to take a fuckin course before they show me anything again. (Plus i am not even in the position to do so as i dont consider myself a pro, but at least i dont pretend to be)And my nightmare continues when i log into facebook or many other places.

Freedom of shit photos I guess comes with the territory on the Internet.

@mirrorkisser

Yep, and a year or 2 ago, he probably had never made a video. Within a year his confidence could be to the point where he thinks it is alright to charge for his work. If he can pull it off, congrats, but anybody that knows better will stay away.

The difference in this situation is he has a bad habit of pumping his opinion out to people thats looking for good information.

Lol and now imagine he gets contracted, as i said, not even ebola could spread that fast. And now imagine there are at least one million other people like that. Each infected just 2-3 others. Good night and good luck!

This thread is complete nonsense.

Having a camera that shoots raw does no more to make you a good photographer than having a pallet full of Old Holland oil paints and a handful of handmade chungking hog bristle brushes does to make you a good painter.