California passes resolution

Faudel

Slowly american people lose freedom of speech and slowly Israel attack on Iran is being prepared...

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120HR35

EdFarnsworth

Thanks for providing the link. Faudel. I don't see how this resolution will prohibit criticism of Israel. It's about hate-crime. As for an eminent attack on Iran, it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. We can't allow Islamic religious extremists to get their lunch-hooks on nuclear materials. And it's an easy bet the fanatics in Iran would love to distribute any horrible weapon they have to their lunatic friends in Al Qaeda.

LPowell

@EdFarnsworth - "As for an eminent attack on Iran, it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. We can't allow Islamic religious extremists to get their lunch-hooks on nuclear materials. And it's an easy bet the fanatics in Iran would love to distribute any horrible weapon they have to their lunatic friends in Al Qaeda."

Great piece of satire, but to make sure no one mistakes you for a war-mongering neo-con, you might want to put a "/sarcasm" tag behind that.

brianluce

Since when are the Iranians cozy with Al Queda? Different religions, different cultures, different interests. Persians have hated Arabs for thousands of years. No one in the West gets that.

Iran knows using Nukes means instant annihilation. Pakistan is a far more volatile problem.

goanna

@Faudel

I agree with your right to interpret this piece of legislation as limiting freedom of speech. But you may have mis-read the document which you have attached for our benefit. Please see if you can find it within yourself to change the title of your thread:

from

California passes resolution defining criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism

so as not to mislead us as to what that Bill actually stated:

anti-Semitism exists on some college campuses and is often cloaked as criticism of Israel. ... _{anti-Semitic activity will not be tolerated in the classroom or on campus.}

Why? Because of all topics, this is likely to be among the most divisive and inflammatory. In the absence of true journalists, there's only us here at the wheel. Let's get it right.

jleo

According to Deterence Theory, everyone should have nukes, to protect themselves!

"Deterrence theory holds that nuclear weapons are intended to deter other states from attacking with their nuclear weapons, through the promise of retaliation and possibly mutually assured destruction (MAD)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory

But, never mind nukes, if the NASA Curiosity rocket, which carried 10.6 lbs of Plutonium 238, had an accident...

"The (NASA Evironmental Impact Study ) EIS says an accident releasing plutonium in the troposphere, the atmosphere five to nine miles high, is “assumed to potentially affect persons living within a latitude band from approximately 23-degrees north to 30-degrees north.” That’s a swath through the Caribbean, across North Africa and the Middle East, then parts of India and China, Hawaii and other Pacific islands, Mexico, and south Texas.

If there’s an accident resulting in plutonium fallout which occurs above that and before the rocket breaks through Earth’s gravitational field, people could be affected “anywhere between 28-degrees north and 28-degrees south latitude,” says the EIS. That’s a band around the mid-section of the Earth which includes much of South America, Africa and Australia.

The EIS says the cost of decontamination of areas affected by the plutonium would be $267 million for each square mile of farmland, $478 million for each square mile of forests and $1.5 billion for each square mile of “mixed-use urban areas.”

"Thus in radioactivity, the 10.6 pounds of Plutonium-238 that is to be used on Curiosity is the equivalent of 2,862 pounds of Plutonium-239. The atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki used 15 pounds of Plutonium-239."

http://www.space4peace.org/articles/curiosity_mission.htm

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/mars_rover_curiosity_its_plutonium_power_comes_courtesy_of_soviet_nukes_.single.html

goanna

@Faudel

I'm afraid I mistakenly gave you the credit for posting your own work. In fact, you only re-posted a viral item existing on other forums like Vanguard News Network -motto "No Jews. Just Right"

Or, at the only slightly less inflammatory World Socialist Web Site, author Tom Carter uses the same headline in what seems a biased de-construction the Bill for his own readers:

On the one hand, the resolution denounces “swastikas and other anti-Semitic graffiti in residential halls, public areas on campus, and Hillel houses,” and denounces those who accuse “the Jewish people, or Israel, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.”

To see which other websites, which, like personal-view.com, have been infected with this virus, try doing a search

ted

I also failed to see how this resolution was defining criticism of Israel as anti-semitism, until I looked a bit closer at a part I'd glossed over: "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli police to that of the Nazis," "including that Israel is a racist, apartheid, or Nazi state." I wouldn't call Israel a Nazi state, but after spending a couple of weeks in Israel and the West Bank last January, I found it impossible not to draw comparisons between accounts of the ghetos in Poland with what I was seeing happening in the West Bank. Many Jewish Israelis I spoke to privately acknowledged they felt this as well, and the comparisons with apartheid weighed on them heavily. It is certainly not anti-semetic to acknowledge that the state of Israel has institued official and unofficial policies in the occupied West Bank that are on their face very much like apartheid. To say that this cannot be so because the Palestinian Authority controls the West Bank would be either increadibly naive or disinengenous. The PA "controls" only about 20% of the West Bank, while the Israeli military controls the rest with an iron fist. This by itself is similar to South Africa's asssertion during apartheid that they didn't discrimate against blacks, because blacks had their own "self-ruled" homelands within South Africa's borders. Israel has legitimate security concerns, and I have a great love for Israel AND for the Palestinians, but for anyone to claim that comparing the occupation to apartheid is inherently anti-semetic is not addressing reality. As a prominent Israeli said to me in Jerusalem, "We need your friendship, but friends don't let friends drive drunk."

disneytoy

I'd rather have any type of speech no matter if I like it or not 100% protected by the first amendment.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@Faudel

Are you really sure that it was good idea to post this?

All such thing can do is to induce flame.

@goanna

I suggest to watch

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4521/ali-khameneis-speech-at-nam-summit-#Item_1 :-)

brianluce

I better to suggest to watch

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4521/ali-khameneis-speech-at-nam-summit-#Item_1 :-)

A good rule of thumb is to keep nukes away from leaders whose religion requires wearing head gear. Vikings might be the exception.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@brianluce

Last time I checked guys who actually used nukes did not belong to such religions :-)

As for Khameneis, he is very smart guy.

brianluce

Oh sorry V, perhaps you belong to a head gear wearing religious group. Apologies.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@brianluce

Sadly, I am not. As I do not belong to any religious group :-)

brianluce

That's good. You should consider politics. I don't think God and politics make a good mix.

disneytoy

Everyone will have nuclear weapons some day. Just like personal computers and ipods.

TheNewDeal

"I'm only afraid of the guy that wants just one..."

"You can't outlaw crazy. Only jail it or kill it."

I think the bigger risk is still really simple dirty bombs. You could deliver it with just a plastic box connected to a weather balloon. Much easier to make. Attach a smart phone with extended battery, a release trigger to open whenever it eventually flies inside of specific desired GPI coordinates. In weeks, or maybe months, your job is done. You can get spent nuke rods from many college campus with nothing more than just a big chested blond loaded into a tight t-shirt standing on the other side of the room from the engineering students... Now THAT scares me. It only takes one techie idiot. With a big chested blond friend. So we are safe this will never happen. :)

Technology is not always our friend...

Mark_the_Harp

@TheNewDeal Scary, but on the other hand, it would make a great plot for a test shoot!

Faudel

Regarding your different answers ,it's also nice to see that on PV ,we have many politics streams :D in peace and lets keep it this way :D

regarding the title, this bill is a fact and i admit the second part was a speculation (VK smartly remove it) What i can propose you is to wait and see how this bill will be interpreted and used in real case...wait and see... Will this be used to protect jews students or to protect Israel foreign policy ? Regarding freedom of speech, it is not fortuity as we all know that campuses and universities are nests of intellectualization and protestations.

@EdFarnsworth ,yes like we could not let Saddam Hussein use his massive destruction weapons....i already planned a nice summer tanning my terrible white body along the euphrate... @goanna Place my post in the context of war on iran and how this bill is a brick in a wall who going to block protestations against Israel attack on Iran. Absolutly with you on tom carter, he deconstructed the bill for his own purpose as every journalist today did according to his affinity (remember how western medias deconstructed ahmadinejad speech about israel on map) i'm ok with some of his point and not ok at all with others thats why i did not rely to his post but directly to the bill, unfortunately yes i'm more in the socialist move than in the Aipac one ,sorry for that.Concerning the virus,i'm not getting you and i think you just did deconstruction of my post according to your affinities :D @Ted like in many countries , people voice is not reflecting government one, i saw and heard the same when i was there and finally where start the security of israelis and where finish the liberty of palestinians ? @brianluce true persians are really different from arabs in culture,millenium civilization ruled by laws vs nomadic pastors ruled by patriarchy, different in the way of interpreting islam but no hate for arabs except for al saud family :p ,considering nukes i'm not sure a turban would have been useful to pilot enola gay :s and finally about the good mix. god is about spirituality and what we are and politics about materiality and what we have. @TheNewDeal Dont forget to include the wind speed and direction or all your efforts could be lost to the sea,it seems to be we need more than a techie idiot :p @Mark_the_Harp I'm pretty sure you gonna find easy financing :D and dont forget to say that enginneering students have iranians origins :D

sam_stickland

Everyone will have nuclear weapons some day. Just like personal computers and ipods.

@disneytoy If this comes true, I wonder if it would cause an evolutionary selection pressure, and whether or not it would be towards pacifism or violence?

svart

One of these days we'll get to a point where nobody can say anything without someone finding it offensive. Who cares if someone doesn't like someone else for whatever reason. What's the difference between disliking someone's race/religion/sex and disliking them for their tattoos/clothes/attitude? Nothing is different between them, just the emphasis we put on certain things that make us afraid.

Not to say that I agree with racism or whatnot, but it's really really blown out of proportion when people are scared of the unknown. Fix the fear, and you fix the hate. You can't make laws that ban people from doing something and expect the cause to somehow solve itself. The government does things all backwards.

peternap

@Vitaliy_Kiselev Are you really sure that it was good idea to post this? All such thing can do is to induce flame.

You have to admit Vitaliy, it never turned nasty. There's a pretty good group here!

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@peternap

As you can see it is not closed, still open :-)

chazzmoe

When you start to ban speech of any kind no matter how much you disagree with it, even hate speech, you go down a slippery slope. Now if words become actions then that's a entirely different story. The original intentions of laws over time get so miss used and perverted that these types of laws could be used to imprison people writing things critical of politicians/judges/police etc. That's the problem with democracy it's nothing more than the largest group deciding the fate of the smaller group of people via a vote. The old saying democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

TheNewDeal

While I'm all for free speech, it's not the 99% healthy, normal people that worry me. It's the micro percent who's brains see the same thought provoking discourse, but only "register" the parts that support their radical thoughts.

But, always offer a solution.... So...

New strategy: We need volunteers who will travel around the world and have unprotected sex often. In a few generations, there will not be enough difference in people to notice. Solution through transportation. Any one want to sign up and save the world?

brianluce

@Faudel I know many many Persians and they despise being confused with Arabs. There is historical animosity between the two. And then there was that little Iran/Iraq war in the 1980's. Killed 500,000 people. Longest conventional war of 20th century.

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