You're twisting my words.

I am not twisting words.
All I said is that firm failed to deliver product on promised date, and instead of openly stating it and describing reasons and new expected date we hear some things about secrets.

You're not going to get a post from a CEO of BMD, or even a marketing person.

They made new kind of marketing who work and talk to their director only and do not care about clients? I see..

@johnbrawley I don't see him twisting your words John. BM is marketing like GoPro, which is beneath a company with their fine reputation in the industry.

Which means the end users will probably get it in August. They still have 7 days to ship.

Lets home for the best and that you are right.

You can't tell the world you are shipping in July and not breathe another word when your timeline has been shifted. I find the marketing of this camera really strange, but the people who pre-order the cam even stranger, cos not one of them I am quite sure has tested it. So much of the buyer's trust thus far has been based on marketing hype, and footage from only one source (sorry, but honestly, who's John Brawley?) If this is not blind faith, then it's trust misplaced. I fiddled with a prototype cam at Broadcast Asia, got a glimpse of what it could do, but no way am I going to shell out money for something that is still evolving as we speak. It seems to me BM is in a hurry to conquer a slice of market share even though the product is half-baked. When it comes to design and manufacture, you are only as good as yr last product. Track record means nothing if u screw up once big time. Just ask Final Cut Pro

@kazuo What misplaced trust ? You can decide to purchase one or not when they are shipping. If you're keen to be in the first wave, with all that might entail, then find a dealer who will take a refundable deposit from you to hold a place in their allocation.

You guys are hysterical.

jb

@ahbleza That's absolutely correct and if you remember, by the original release date, there were reviews and images all over the place for the D800. Not the cone of silence.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev No, they didn't get too many pre-orders. Instead, the marketing team singularly failed to correctly forecast demands, OR the manufacturing backend was unable to meet the forecast demand.

I agree that they started shipping in March, so I will amend my comments to 4 months -- at least in the UK, as per this article: http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/nikon-d800-availability-major-retailers-checked-1073076

Yes, and especially considering the other "big guys" are still putting out the same shoddy compressed 8-bit footage year after year.

Big guys are making tools for people that will sell.

They are not making small niche raw cameras. Right now it makes no reason for them.

As camera LSI, memory speed and flash cards (both size and speed) catch up, you'll see very big amount of even entry level, $300, cameras shooting raw video.

Remember after the first batch, you couldn't even get one from Jan to March.

Generally, it is not true. If you so wanted it, you could get it on ebay. Yep, Panasonic had production problems. But we are not talking about this here. We are not talking that BM ships too small cameras, or shipping to some countries delayed.

We are talking about no footage available. No final version camera seen. And intention to keep new shipping dates "secret".

I am all for BM, and sure that they'll fix all issues and camera will be amazing. But current approach is just plain wrong and must be fixed asap.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev - can you reference what you know about some religious affiliation of the higher ups at BMD?

If they were evangelicals it would be weird to call the company BlackMagic, no?

Well impatient people throwing childish tantrums lol what's new. BMD has no obligation to release any footage until their product is publicly released. You are also under no obligation to pre-order it until a few people get a hands-on review on the "final product" and post their "test" footage for everyone else to decide if you want to shell out the bucks.

Be patient kids, I know its hard.

I actually agree with Vitaliy, I have no intention of getting the BM camera right now...so I am certainly not impatient or passionate about the subject. But reading thru the last page or two...it appears that there may be some sort of hold up, now if BMD are experiencing a hold up in production, its simply courteous and good business to explain what it is that holding things up, or if there is no holdup.

How difficult can that be? why is that a problem for them to do that?

When things are a secret, especially with possible delays in release dates on a camera, then people have a right to ask a few questions and be a little apprehensive, and not be told that the CEO's or whoever choose not to communicate about this on a forum, or make any announcement whatsoever, and then on top of that have those that question this be called hysterical is pretty unbelievable TBH.

Thats just how I see it, and I am objective...IE: I have no vested interest in this and definitely not hysterical, maybe I may buy a BMC in the future, but personally I like to see things proved on the ground first. Cheers