Tagged with rate - Personal View Talks https://personal-view.com/talks/discussions/tagged/rate/feed.rss Thu, 21 Nov 24 10:47:46 +0000 Tagged with rate - Personal View Talks en-CA MJPEG Audio Sample Rate and Bitrate on GF1 (maybe other cameras too) https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/28110/mjpeg-audio-sample-rate-and-bitrate-on-gf1-maybe-other-cameras-too Mon, 19 Aug 2024 12:35:05 +0000 DidiEdd 28110@/talks/discussions Hey there, thanks for the ptool hack Vitaly, I've been using it for over half a year now and I'm finally starting to realize its full potential on my GF1 after understanding more about cameras and picture/video data in general, so it's been a big help in regards to my camera hobby, specifically with recording video on a camera not-so-good for video.

But eventually I realized a minor issue as well. This is regarding the audio of MJPEG (on GF1, but maybe other cameras as well). For some reason, when recording MJPEG, the audio bitrate is just okay at 256/257/268/281 kbps. However, the worse issue is that it is being captured at 16,000 samples per second, which is an issue because essentially any frequency past 8 KHz cannot be recorded to the video... With AVCHD Lite, the audio is successfully recorded at a high bitrate of 448 kbps, but even more importantly, the sample rate is 48,000 Hz which can capture frequencies up to 22 KHz safely. I want to make use of MJPEG at times, but with this knowledge I have to be careful not to use it in situations where the audio could be important (considering I have to use my phone as an external mic). It takes time to get my other audio sources running, so in a "quick, record!" moment, I wouldn't want to be forced to use AVCHD Lite in a situation where I would've preferred to use MJPEG, just because the audio will be poor for the time it takes to enable my external audio recording setup.

From what I've seen on the site nowadays, I've gathered that you've done something along the lines of "retiring" from this ptool project, so I understand if there's nothing you can do, but if possible, couldn't there be any way we could get the sample rate fixed to 48 KHz for MJPEG and not just AVCHD? Additionally, for the bitrate settings to affect MJPEG as well, not just AVCHD. Thank you for your time.

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Sony A7 High bitrate hack? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/24722/sony-a7-high-bitrate-hack Wed, 11 Nov 2020 12:20:20 +0000 JimmySuarez1981 24722@/talks/discussions In 2020 I'm purchasing a Sony A7 (Mainly for stills) and I'm curious to know if a hack to increase video bitrate (Just like Driftwood hack for the Lumix GH2) exists at all???

Thanks in advance!

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AX33 and Frame Rate and HD options https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16617/ax33-and-frame-rate-and-hd-options Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:45:40 +0000 filmchickie 16617@/talks/discussions I am using the Sony AX33 Camera. I would like to know how I can get to the option such that I can get to the option where I can shoot with frame size 1920 X 1080 and Frame Rate of 29.97 fps.

Currently, I seem to only be able to get to the 1920 X 1080 setting when I choose HD, but then it shoots in Frame Rate of 60fps.

Please advise.

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Bit depth and sample rate - Impact on audio editing quality https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15438/bit-depth-and-sample-rate-impact-on-audio-editing-quality Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:58:56 +0000 joethepro 15438@/talks/discussions If I were to record 2 wav files, one at 16/48k, and one at 24/96k, I understand that there would be little to no perceptible difference in the sound quality to most listeners. As far as editing the file goes, how do the higher quality files make a difference? Will I be able to pitch shift or slow down the 24/96k file farther without it breaking up, for example?

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Frame Rate Downscaling / Frame Averaging https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12188/frame-rate-downscaling-frame-averaging Fri, 16 Jan 2015 04:47:25 +0000 Athiril 12188@/talks/discussions Anyway, the basic idea is the same as image stacking, you stack 2 or more images, one of the advantages is if you do it in a high bit depth space, the bit depth of the image will go up, that means 8-bit images increase in bit depth when the stack is calculated in a higher bit depth space.

I commented off hand that if you're desperate enough you can get higher bit depth from merging frames together if you have access to 50, 60p etc. Oh, this also works if you downscale a higher resolution to a lower one within a higher bit depth space as well - so for all you people down scaling footage, if you're able to do that in a 16-bit space and save a high bit depth format then you'll have something to gain. I didn't speak for practicality, only that it can be done.

When I wrote my program to count unique colours in very large resolution 16-bit tiff images, I didn't see other software that'd do that. As the array would require tremendous memory. If you want to know the way I managed to do it I had a simpler way to do it which required processing power over memory, and that was to sort the pixels in an array from smallest colour value to highest essentially, that way you could simply not add +1 to the unique colour count if the same colour appeared more than once in a row.

I had other reasons for doing this, it's part of my experiments with image stacking, but I've done it with various image sources, scans, jpegs from shitty cameras with no raw, raw, jpegs from better cameras, snap shots of two frames in video.

Been told it's "cant be done" many times. Because the information from one from to the next isn't the same - well no, that's exactly why it works, even in the worst case scenario of a tripod locked off shot of still life with nothing moving it works.

But if you're recording 50p, blending every 2 frames together just speeds the footage up to 25p, the average of the two frames still contains the same amount of motion blur/movement as recording in 25p at the same shutter angle, though it may be divided into 2 sections over the 1 frame instead of 1 long section of motion.

Generally that shouldn't be an issue as 180 degree is accepted as general purpose good shutter angle which leaves space between the movement/motion blur anyway, and if you wanted none you could shoot 360 degree.

Now to the screenshot - R, G, B bit values, these represent how much of the scale Red will use on it's own (regardless of what green and blue is attached to - the same goes for Green and Blue etc), a value of 6-bits would mean, the image only has 64 differing red values in total. I made this to identify problems with some images.

Unique Colours is the total number of colours, an 8-bit image has a maximum value of 24-bits here, but that would be very hard to achieve, as it would have to have every combination of colour, hue, intensity, saturation in the one image etc from bland to neon, and the image resolution would need to be 16.7 million pixels or over.

The Unique Colour Factor - A 1920x1080p image has 2,073,600 pixels in the frame, a value of 50% would mean it would have 1,036,800 unique colours in the image, this percentage can be used as a factor of colour quality and separation.

The first example is a single frame grab from some A7s (720p 120fps) video I downloaded off the net (I was going to use my GH2, but I left it at work this afternoon), it's placed into Photoshop and converted to 16-bit and saved as a tiff (partly to rule out any conversion to 16-bit as the contributing rise in bit depth counting, and also because the program I wrote only reads 16-bit tiffs at this time of writing).

The second example, is the first 2 frames in 16-bit mode in photoshop, blended with opacity at 50% for the top layer, flattened and saved as a tif.

The fourth is the same but with 4 frames.

As you can see, the more you stack, the more in between values with higher precision than 8-bit arise, about ~9x the unique colours.

It should only be logical, even if the video or two photos is of on a tripod of a still life, 2 pixel values will have variance in them over the two frames, especially since 8-bit has high quantisation error compared to higher bit depths, variable noise, micron image movement etc, so if you have one that's 241 and 240 for example, the in between value cannot be represented in 8-bits.

Unfortunately I'm working tomorrow, but that means I can get my camera back before Monday, so I probably can shoot some footage with the lowest contrast settings and see if I can induce banding in something and post up an actual video sample.

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Can high framerates offset compression artifacts? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11507/can-high-framerates-offset-compression-artifacts Tue, 07 Oct 2014 11:24:11 +0000 Brian_Siano 11507@/talks/discussions I was looking at some footage I shot with a consumer-grade camcorder, of a running stream. I shot it at 60fps, so when I play it at a slow-motion 24fps it looks wonderful and fluid and alla that good stuff. However, when I freeze the frames, the narrow bitrate of the camcorder is pretty obvious-- the points where the water gets turbulent become chaotic little blocks of data.

So I have a question. If I shoot at 24fps, or 30fps, the compression artifacts are certainly visible. If I were to shoot at 60fps, and render it as 24 or 30-- not in slow-motion, maybe frame blending-- the renderer would have two frames to combine into one. Would this extra data enable me to reduce the compression blocking in the final?

Apologies if this is a stupid question.

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Bit Rate, Frame Dropping, Frame Bending, Mathematics https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/9766/bit-rate-frame-dropping-frame-bending-mathematics Sun, 02 Mar 2014 09:26:09 +0000 Mckinise 9766@/talks/discussions Let's say you have an Action camera with the following specs:

1080p at 50fps Bit Rate = 28mbps 1080p at 25fps Bit Rate = 16mbps

You intercut the 50p (25p) (Close range and POV) with Multicam DSLR footage of 24p (Medium and Wide). You Drop the Footage into a 24p timeline with a 24mbps Bit Rate and have the option of either dropping frames or bending frames.

1- How much information is lost conforming 50p to 24p?

2- Will the information lost from the 50p footage lead to the 25p (16mbps) footage having a higher Bit Rate in the 24p timeline?

3- Is it better to drop the 50p into a 25p time line, render at 25p, and then drop the new file into the 24p timeline?

4- Is it better to just forgo the 50p and use the 25p (16 Mbps)?

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44.1 ok for movie audio in DCP digital age? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/7674/44.1-ok-for-movie-audio-in-dcp-digital-age Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:02:27 +0000 matt_gh2 7674@/talks/discussions I'm working on producing a feature film. Most audio is recorded at 24/96, but a lot is being recorded at 44.1. I remember hearing that in terms of using on actual film, it needed to be 48. But given that I've heard most theatrical distribution is on Digital Cinema Package (DCP) these days, is it okay to have some of the audio recorded at 44.1?

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ENG Camera Hacks https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5266/eng-camera-hacks Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:38:19 +0000 jjavelar_25 5266@/talks/discussions Does anyone know any hacks for any traditional cameras? I would be really interested in getting a hack for my Sony NX5U that would increase the bit rate of my footage. Currently it records 24mbps MTS (AVCHD) files, I would really like if I can get that bit rate up higher. Intra or something that will give me a stable bit rate would be awesome.

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2013 camera predictions? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5397/2013-camera-predictions Fri, 07 Dec 2012 01:59:09 +0000 pletta 5397@/talks/discussions So i'm coming into some money soon . . . and by coming into some money, I mean I'm getting my student loans soon and plan to spend it on something other than school. Anyways, I've been looking to get a better camera and I've been looking at Black Magic's camera. It sounds great and for a great price. The only reservation I have is that I've been looking at and reading about the Black Magic for quite awhile. In the mean time it seems there have been a ton of new and huge camera and image sensor innovations. This young trend of making extremely affordable and capable raw cinema cameras seems as though it is about to explode (more than it already has) and I wanted to know what kind of expectations anyone might have for cameras coming out in the near future regarding technical specs and prices. I.e. 16-bit 4k and high frame rates (not point grey) for $3000 ? I might be hoping for too much but after seeing some of the latest camera innovations it doesn't seem that far fetched.

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How to charge for your day rate https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5283/how-to-charge-for-your-day-rate Sat, 24 Nov 2012 00:29:10 +0000 christianhubbard 5283@/talks/discussions Thought this was a nifty resource: http://www.videomaker.com/video-rate-calculator?utm_content=article1_2012_fri_11_23

20$ says Joe Marine reposts this on NewFilmSchool within 2 days.

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Short high speed capture macro https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4928/short-high-speed-capture-macro Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:34:32 +0000 DrDave 4928@/talks/discussions Hi y'all--I need to capture some different kinds of macros in high speed for short duration. The clips only need to bee four or five seconds long. For example, water drops. Does anyone have a recommendation whether burst mode is better than high frame rate for this, and what is the best camera to use. Thanks.

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Which framerate to mix 24p and HBR25/30 footage? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2847/which-framerate-to-mix-24p-and-hbr2530-footage Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:21:01 +0000 duartix 2847@/talks/discussions Please help!

I'm planning to do a comparison of various video modes and shutter speeds and I'd like in the end to export one video that mixes thge following material:

  • 24p footage @ 2fps that will be speed up 13x

  • 24p footage @ 2.5fps that will be speed up 10x

  • HBR30 footage @ 2.5fps that wil be speed up 12x

  • HBR25 footage @ 5fps that wil be speed up 5x

How should I handle this in After Effects?

TIA.

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