Tagged with gh13 - Personal View Talks https://personal-view.com/talks/discussions/tagged/gh13/feed.rss Thu, 21 Nov 24 13:57:22 +0000 Tagged with gh13 - Personal View Talks en-CA GH1: setting "Varigop" - superb IQ - integrated timelapse in MJPEG https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5959/gh1-setting-varigop-superb-iq-integrated-timelapse-in-mjpeg Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:40:05 +0000 tetakpatak 5959@/talks/discussions
  • "Varigop" setting for the GH1, features:
    • Excellent IQ in AVCHD 1920x1080p 24fps (3GOP)
    • in-camera playback (AVCHD files) is possible
    • absolutely reliable spanning as long as battery lasts / until end of memory space of the SD card (max 32GB)
    • integrated timelapse function in MJPEG (By Jordan Noblet)
    • Usage of all camera working modes (A, S, M)
    • Usage of all lenses, legacy Panasonic lenses as well as vintage ones
    • highest achievable bitrates on the GH1 and very high average recording bitrates in NTSC (considerably lower in PAL)
    • top reliability and in-camera-playback for most of the files
  • NTSC:
    AVCHD FHD = 1080p24 3GOP superb detail in highlights and shadows / smooth looking motions / very high bitrates / spanning works very reliable
    AVCHD SH = 720p60 3GOP with even higher bitrates (bitrates about 10% higher than in 1080p24) / IQ looks good, needs more testing as this mode was not primar target of the patch

    PAL:
    AVCHD FHD = 1080p25 13GOP looks good, needs more testing (bitrates about 60% of 1080p24)
    AVCHD SH = 720p50 26GOP looks good, needs more testing (bitrates about 40% of 1080p24)

    MJPEG (both in PAL and NTSC):
    Integrated timelapse settings by Jordan Noblet / 2fps in "HD" 1920x1080 / colors 4:2:2 / It is ideal to use 1/2s exposure to get beautifully looking subject's motions in the blending frames, so strong ND filters are necessary in the daylight. Of course, shorter exposures are also possible- with sharper looking motions. In 2fps mode maximal file size (in MJPEG not avoidable) will be achieved after ca 1h25m. One can stop-and-start again the recording for longer recordings and edit later. For rendering is recommended to use Jordan Noblet's free software, you can download it on his website http://www.timelapser.net
    All other MJPEG modes (WXGA, XGA, VGA) are also influented by the 2fps setting in HD mode, so rather forget them. File format after rendering in "Timelapser": AVI 1920x1080p 25fps

    Bugs reports:
    The released beta version of the "Varigop" runs in many situations stable, but it is regularly freezing if the object is well-lit grass or trees. All users of this setting should please keep me informed about observed bugs and feel free to post directly here. All those information will be very helpful for the development of the setting until the stage when "alpha" version can be released some day.

    If you use this patch and like it, please don't forget who made all this with his tireless work possible and make donation to Vitaliy on the top of this page and support that way his hacking projects.

    (beta-version released on January 30th, 2013)

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    Panasonic SDHC cards https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1039/panasonic-sdhc-cards Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:25:47 +0000 inefab 1039@/talks/discussions
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    RARE Gold Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH1 12.1 MP Digital Camera https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14762/rare-gold-panasonic-lumix-dmc-gh1-12.1-mp-digital-camera Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:38:26 +0000 koyahd 14762@/talks/discussions Rare hard to find Golden GH1 variation sold in Japan only in limited quantities I believe. It was hacked recently with the best possible settings after extensive research on forums. The camera was originally in Japanese before the language was switched to English after the hack. Well taken care of. Video quality rivals the hacked GH2 with the hack applied. I may post a sample video if I have time. The hack/patch allows you to switch between NTSC and PAL modes, supports multiple language selection, unrestricted recording time, and third-party batteries.

    Shutter count only 5374!! (see picture).

    Comes with everything pictured: Hacked Golden GH1 (try finding this colourway elsewhere at the moment) Condition 9.5/10 (regular wear on a few buttons and such) Sony UHS-I 16GB SDHC card Class 10 (good enough for the hacked GH1) Body cap New small camera bag from Henry's (can fit GH1 and pancake lens etc., no shoulder strap) Original Panasonic Battery Original Panasonic battery charger AV out cables for live view USB cable

    Asking: $185 USD OBO all inclusive to the U.S. (no duties) $175 USD OBO all inclusive to Canada.

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    MJPEG FPS setting for Timelapse on GH2 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/595/mjpeg-fps-setting-for-timelapse-on-gh2 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:47:46 +0000 GH13Timelapser 595@/talks/discussions
    It works by taking footage from a GH13 with the mjpeg frame rate changed to 2fps using ptool - it can stream copy the frames out and reassemble them losslessly - but more interestingly has interval/shutter settings that will blend frames together to simulate a longer interval/shutter as required. The frame blending has the added benefit of reducing low-light noise significantly.

    I put together a demo here:


    Here's the tool GH13Timelapser: http://timelapser.net/

    I've had a few people contact me about using GH13Timelapser with a hacked GH2 but from what I can tell, the MJPEG fps setting hasn't been implemented in GH2 ptool - probably because it was deemed as not being useful (it has no purpose other than timelapse from what I can tell)

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    Dusting off the GH1 for 60fps work https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/10373/dusting-off-the-gh1-for-60fps-work Tue, 13 May 2014 00:14:45 +0000 racer5 10373@/talks/discussions Hi, longtime lurker. Appreciate what this site and its members provide.

    I have a GH1 and would like to revive it as a 60fps b-cam. After the GH2 dropped and the dust settled, what was the best patch left standing for the GH1 and 60fps work? I have fast cards. Thanks.

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    Car Chase video I shot with Hacked GH2 - GH1 and Red One MX https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/9296/car-chase-video-i-shot-with-hacked-gh2-gh1-and-red-one-mx Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:40:41 +0000 n5p 9296@/talks/discussions Hey guys and girls,

    I bought a BT Red One MX and shot this TV show trailer which got sponsored after by Toyota/Scion.

    We used hacked GH2 and GH1 cameras through out, see if you can tell where - although I'm sure you'll be able to pick out the obvious ones. 3 person crew mostly, mad low budget and a lot of time and care went into it.

    Which music works best with the trailer... version 1 or 2?

    We are trying to get as many YouTube hits as possible before approaching a few networks and FX Canada,

    Thanks!

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    Feature film trailer. GH1/anamorphic. https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/6802/feature-film-trailer.-gh1anamorphic. Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:44:37 +0000 ryancglover 6802@/talks/discussions Hi all! Been working on our first feature for a couple of years now. It's now completed and the film's official trailer has just debuted.

    Shot in 2010 with a GH1 and Lomo anamorphic primes.

    Visit http://hillsgreen.com for more info. Thanks for looking!

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    GH13. Videoreport in doc-style. https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8579/gh13.-videoreport-in-doc-style. Mon, 28 Oct 2013 05:21:22 +0000 KoniFilms 8579@/talks/discussions

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    FOR SALE: GH1 Body https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/7513/for-sale-gh1-body Sat, 13 Jul 2013 12:45:59 +0000 jokami 7513@/talks/discussions Up for sale is my Panasonic GH1 Black body. Comes with extra battery, charger, and all cords. Excellent Condition. Loved the images from the GH13. Time to part ways with this beast of a camera.

    $310 (includes shipping) + paypal fees

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    Wilting Flowers, Fading Songs: A Documentary Project about a tribe from the Western Himalayas https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/7533/wilting-flowers-fading-songs-a-documentary-project-about-a-tribe-from-the-western-himalayas Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:23:28 +0000 feonn 7533@/talks/discussions Hi there! In the last 3 years I've been involved in documenting the oral traditions of a very small ethnic community in Ladakh, India near the border with Pakistan. Much of the work was done on self funding until now, but this time not possible :/ so we started an Inidegogo campaign - http://igg.me/at/fadingsongs

    They are called "Brokpa" (aka 'Highlander' - a bit neglectful name given by the Ladakhis) and are quiet popular nowadays with tourist because of their aryan origin, Mediterranean features and gorgeous traditional dresses and ornaments. But no one knows a bit about their culture, as they are not documented at all and local government is treating them quiet bad also!

    The problem is that they are less than 2000 in population and due to the impact of modernisation and sensitive politic situation with Pakistan and China, all their traditions are very rapidly diminishing... Nowadays they are kept only by a very few members from the older generation with not much hope to be passed to the younger one :( This will very soon lead to an irretrievable loss of identity :/

    I saw it myself and that was my biggest motivation for starting this documentary project. The idea is to make at the end a series of short documentaries and bring all of them along with music recordings and research papers online accessible for everyone and to the community as well. We've managed to do much of this work, but still need one more really extensive fieldwork (~50 days on spot or two and a half months the whole trip).

    This thread is not really to ask for money (though every $ will be welcome :p) but just to let you know about this. It will be much appreciated if you could spread the word about the campaign, share it etc. As you know campaign fundings depends very much on clicks and activity... so a bowing thanks for every share! - http://igg.me/at/fadingsongs

    The above footage was shot in 2011 when we had a 5d mkii and a GH13. It's a quick edit, as much of the footage and audio are still being edited. This year I have a GH3 (really hope for a hack soon) + some minolta md glass and SLR magic 25mm & 12mm and a BMPC if I'm lucky enough to get it before 15th September. The audio will be on a Marantz 661 + NT-4 and NTG-2 with lots of batteries. They don't have electricity yet in those villages, so we had to charge all batteries and laptop on the solar panels of the locals. That was very time consuming and it's another reason we decided to try to raise some more money to cover a generator.

    I'm be happy for any feedback, suggestions and support! If you know new budget ways to charge in the field, please let me know!

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    Short Film - "Counterfeit" https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5863/-short-film-counterfeit Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:36:27 +0000 Xenocide38 5863@/talks/discussions Here's a short film I shot back in 2011 on a hacked GH1. I'm starting pre-production on my next short film so I'd appreciate all feedback and comments.

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    Lenses to achieve Cinematic/Filmic look on m43 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5845/lenses-to-achieve-cinematicfilmic-look-on-m43 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:19:47 +0000 kronstadt 5845@/talks/discussions This topic was inspired from another discussion here, where @feha suggested that achieving that "Holy Grail" filmic look depends a lot also on the choice of lenses. @endotoxic went on list his favourite Takumar lenses achieve that much desired filmic look on GH1.

    So I invite you all to list your favorite lenses that have helped you to achieve that filmic look on GH1, GH2 and GH3.

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    GH1 Crop factor 2 or 1.8 ? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4636/gh1-crop-factor-2-or-1.8- Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:01:05 +0000 simurg 4636@/talks/discussions Quote:

    "Yes, am sure your bored with it all, but this needs to be resolved! the GH1 is not as people think 2x crop factor, well thats my theory anyway. Note, I succesfully overlapped almost pixel for pixel a 4:3 and 16:9 image shot from tripod and then overlayed in PS. If the crop factor was changing due to crop diaganol then they shouldnt of overlayed as the 4:4 diaganol is longer than then 16:9. Therefore this leads me to believe that the camera sensor should be considered at its max for the 16:9 width ie 19mm aprox and its max height, 13.5mm. 23.5mm diaganol, so more like 1.85 actually. This is possible as the 4:3 ratio then behaves as if the two sides are cut-off to provide this ratio.

    The following though shows just how wide the 14mm setting is on a GH1 as compared to full frame and aps-c Canon. This was not my shoot but in 16:9 format the crop is definately better than a 17mm at 1.6 ie 27.2 mm and a little bit less than the 24mm full frame. See for yourself, and it does look as if the GH1 is around 25mm-26mm."

    What do you think about true crop factor 16:9 / GH1 ?

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    Hacked GH1 vs. Hacked GH2 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/451/hacked-gh1-vs.-hacked-gh2 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 00:49:04 +0000 MrAnthony 451@/talks/discussions
    The obvious ones seem to be the teleconverter feature and the possibility of live HDMI out. But what else? Are the videos better? Is the 24p a better codec and worth the upgrade? Is high ISO performance dramatically better? Or am I better off dropping $1000 towards lenses, lighting, stabilizers, focus followers, rig, etc? Or is the GH2 so sweet that I should be getting that body?

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    Best SD Card for GH13 ? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5419/best-sd-card-for-gh13- Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:25:37 +0000 simurg 5419@/talks/discussions I'm having problems writing errors . What is your advice for a new generation of cards. Which is the best card for gh13?

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    GH1 Can it still be improved https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1012/gh1-can-it-still-be-improved Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:11:43 +0000 rigs 1012@/talks/discussions ]]> Views from Talent & Tech - Chemical film is finally dead & the GH2 rates close to the big dogs! https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/3816/views-from-talent-tech-chemical-film-is-finally-dead-the-gh2-rates-close-to-the-big-dogs Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:54:29 +0000 Blackout 3816@/talks/discussions Long time no see guys. I realized this is more the place for it as the old dogs are very biased over there. I took a bit of a break from the film world to attend to some pressing needs, but I figured I'd update you and rant a little for the old school and newbs alike:

    I'm an imagination person first. There's a theme park carnival universe in my head / heart - then I'm an an actor, then a writer, then a director, then a DP and then an editor (I think... the orders of those things switch around a lot - and I'm not including music or broadcasting or hosting which I did a lot of too).

    Somehow after or before or quantum sideways of that I have something to do with the Thrice Great Okapi but let's not get into that now. Why must you readers always distract me? Oh wait, you haven't read this yet. It's me who's distracting me. So sorry, let me get on with it:

    As the title says. Digital Film Making Finally Beats Chemical Film Making.

    I just viewed Prometheus. This article is not so much about the movie plot or merits. It was OK. OK it was a little better than OK... I'd say 3 stars out of 4 for you geeks out there. It was dark and highly predictable in that same way that so many sci fi movies are with their ominous shots of Halo like activity that we've seen so many times before but it was a [i]fairly[/i] good movie none the less and the visuals are amazing!

    The focus here is that it was shot, edited, and projected entirely digitally. No chemical film. Remember when CDs had AAD, DAD, DAA OR DDD? Well this was the DDD of motion pictures (and then in 3D too so really it's almost DDD+3D). I viewed it in 3D on dual 8K digital projectors from a digital source (it was shot on Red Epic digital cameras with Zeiss Ultra Prime and Angenieux Optimo Lenses) and I was so impressed that it led me to write this column that will only be appreciated by hard core film or motion picture buffs, fellow film makers, or total and absolute techy nerds.

    I apologize to my regular 'wacky guy with a hat" audience about the extreme levels of techy geek I am about to enter but I am compelled to write on this for my film making friends. We really need to change that terminology to 'motion picture' or 'movie' making, because old school film making is finally really dead and unnecessary. OOPS I just blew my whole article away! That was a huge spoiler... oh well ...crap...so anyway I thought I'd give the above disclaimer, and now having done that... here we go!

    Chemical film is finally dead. Let me make it clear I don't say this with any sort of hatred of chemical film like it is some witch or beast that needed to be slayed. I LOVED the look of it, but it was/is just way too expensive. People who had the money liked this fact as it keep them in some sort of elitist control club. I did not. I used to have fantasies of stealing panavision film equipment when I found out they only rented and didn't sell film cameras and related equipment. I say this as a LOVER of the motion picture 24p chemical film look who has been on a loooong (add as many o's as you need to make that long really looooong) quest to make movies that looked like what...well... movies looked like... well.. at the movies!!!

    I was not once ever satisfied with my 60i vhs or 8mm or hi8 or super v or even later with supposed masters work on the digitally shot and digitally projected movies from the Star Wars fiascos to the IMAX lies (especially in 3D) until now.

    Watching Prometheus on dual 8K projectors was the first time I could sit closer than mid row and be absolutely immersed in the entire film without seeing the artifacts of digital film making or 3D problems. The picture was as detailed as I have ever seen - other than some outstanding real (chemical film) IMAX 3D films - but nearly the same, and there were no pixels, the brightness was excellent, the 3D did not flicker. I mean seriously - holy s*%t it finally works! Give someone a gold star sticker!!!

    DEEPER INTO THE TECHY GEEKY WORLD OF MOTION PICTURE MAKING - FORMERLY CALLED FILM MAKING in part II:

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    GH1 still getting some use on this music video I shot https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5139/gh1-still-getting-some-use-on-this-music-video-i-shot Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:22:50 +0000 n5p 5139@/talks/discussions Shot this before I had my GH2, now I use both to cut down shooting times.

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    What is the best portrait lens for m43 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4902/what-is-the-best-portrait-lens-for-m43 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:32:16 +0000 simurg 4902@/talks/discussions What is the best portrait lens for Gh1 - 2 ?

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    Quality loss after color correction/grading in Premiere Pro https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4046/quality-loss-after-color-correctiongrading-in-premiere-pro- Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:04:50 +0000 kronstadt 4046@/talks/discussions Hi,

    I do my color grading (color correction) in the same place where I do my montage - Adobe Premiere Pro CS4. The effects I use are Three-way Color Corrector (for color grading) and ProcAmp (for Brightness, Contrast, Saturation), in order to achieve more "cinematic" look. But I have noticed that the video that comes out looses sharpness and quality, when compared to the original footage. Has anyone noticed this with Premiere Pro?

    Am I missing something? Is Premiere Pro a bad tool for color grading? If so, what would you recommend?

    (I'm using GH13, usually shooting in NOSTALGIC (Contrast -2, Sharpness -2, Saturation +2, Noise Reduction -2) and sometimes in SMOOTH (Contrast -2, Sharpness -2, Saturation +-0, Noise Reduction -2).)

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    Music video I shot on Red Epic with a dash of GH13 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4020/music-video-i-shot-on-red-epic-with-a-dash-of-gh13- Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:15:35 +0000 n5p 4020@/talks/discussions Hello everyone, been reading these forums for a long time, I mainly shoot music videos here's one that I shot mainly on the Red Epic at 4k actually not 5k and my gh13 as B cam.

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    Em320e Microphone and Gh1 https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/3722/em320e-microphone-and-gh1- Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:59:30 +0000 simurg 3722@/talks/discussions What is the solution most appropriate for the this microphone by GH13VK?

    6.25mm female mono >> 2.5mm male stereo or mono ?

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    GH13...STILL ROCKS !!!! https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1804/gh13...still-rocks- Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:30:19 +0000 vurias06 1804@/talks/discussions



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    GH1 weird "interlacing artifacts" on non-interlaced footage https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2985/gh1-weird-interlacing-artifacts-on-non-interlaced-footage Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:07:37 +0000 docz 2985@/talks/discussions Hello, I'm using my GH1 with hacked firmware. And I am getting some weird interlacing artifacts on the AVCHD modes. I've tried numerous different settings, including: Blackout Powell, 100mbit Max lattitude, Fast Action 3 Gop, 75mbit Peak reliability, and Reliable in-camera playback patch. I've tried all of those with both the "Wrapper" patch switched on, and off. And still I get the same result.

    Is there any way to get the interlacing to stop?

    Look at my attached photo to see the problem, you can clearly see it over and under the actors glasses. The weird part is that my GF1 does not cause these artifacts. In fact my GF1 produces higher quality and is more reliable footage than my GH1! (Both AVCHD and MJPEG!) How can that be? Shouldn't the GH1 have far better results than it's little brother? Clearly something is either wrong with my camera or the way I am patching it is wrong.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    GH17 Motion issues? Strobbing? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2901/gh17-motion-issues-strobbing Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:37:52 +0000 radicalkat 2901@/talks/discussions Hello,

    I've got a question about the following footage. It was shot with the 100mbps max lat hack. f1.8, Shutter 1/50th. Nikon 50mm lens. The motion looks jumpy to me, especially at about 11 sec in when she starts rocking back and forth. Is this normal? Is this, in fact, strobing? Is there a fix? Is it just me?

    -Thanks

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    GH1 dust protection https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2521/gh1-dust-protection Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:20:51 +0000 elc 2521@/talks/discussions Hi All — I'm off to shoot a short film in Togo in a couple of months with my GH1, and am concerned about protecting the camera and lenses from dust and humidity. So far I'm planning on storing all of my sensitive gear in waterproof bags with fistfulls of silica gel packets for the humidity, but from what I've heard the conditions are generally very dusty, which can take a serious toll. While out shooting, some people have suggested covering the camera in plastic wrap, and I was thinking about slicing up clear plastic bags to make a hood that would leave better access, but I'm concerned that either method might cause the camera to overheat (looking at ~30°C daytime temps).

    Any techniques that have worked for you in the past? General tips?

    Many thanks!

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    Ocean Event - shot entirely with GH13 & IPowell patch https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2137/ocean-event-shot-entirely-with-gh13-ipowell-patch Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:48:39 +0000 Rambo 2137@/talks/discussions Shot with single GH13 on back of a Jetski, 14-140 kit lens with ND8 - on water footage in WP housing, 20mm pancake - on land with FaderND, Minor WB correction in post, Ipowell 75Mb reliable patch 720p 50fps 1/50 shutter.

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    "Burn" sensor! Is it rumor or real ? https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2014/burn-sensor-is-it-rumor-or-real- Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:34:54 +0000 simurg 2014@/talks/discussions Vitaliy and friends, what do you think about it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GXBOEazeIn0#!

    is it real solution for vertical color line (banding) problem?

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    Help Please: How to import mts (gh1/2 hacked 25p native) into FCP https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1985/help-please-how-to-import-mts-gh12-hacked-25p-native-into-fcp Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:27:26 +0000 dts 1985@/talks/discussions Hi

    I am using Vegas so no problem here, but my buddy uses FCP and says he cannot import his files without re-coding. Is it possible to remux them into a container that FCP would "swallow" so there would be no need for recompression ? ;)

    Sorry for the rookie question but i could not find an answer in the search... so please be gentle guys!

    Thanx in advance

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    GH2 Stalin Quantum V.5 vs. GH13 75Mbps https://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1837/gh2-stalin-quantum-v.5-vs.-gh13-75mbps Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:54:12 +0000 magnus387 1837@/talks/discussions
    Not Scientific, but both pixel peeping screen grabs are shot using the fantastic Voigtlander 25mm f0.95. The GH2 was patched with Quantum v.5 ( @driftwood , @Vitaliy_Kiselev you guys are rock stars), and the GH13 was patched long ago with 75Mbps variant (one, I've always been happy with).

    (EDIT) Both grabs are f4.0 shutter 1/50 ISO 400

    My initial impressions were confirmed when I transcoded the MTS files using 5dtoRGB, and brought the files into FCP7 and brought up the mids using the 3-way color corrector - the hacked GH2 is hiding tons of detail, and the difference is in the numbers - gh2 is at 145Mbps, the GH13 is at 34Mbps. I honestly couldn't believe my eyes. The GH2 noise structure is so much finer than the blocking that occurs on the GH13, and it resembles film grain in my humble point of view.

    Happy holidays everyone.]]>