To buy Samyang's new series of cine lenses? Actually to be honest, I have tested Samyang and Zeiss side by side, and I can't quite tell which is which. The Samyang 85mm especially has colours and nuances that are very Zeiss like.

Which of these are MM and which AE?

I'd never change Zeiss for Samyang, but Leica-R? Why not.

Yep, AE are the ones with the "Ninja" bokeh @ the two stops next to fully open.

@uliman info@kladwerk.com , still for sale got 1 pending from nomad, but he did not reply yet.

@sicovdplas

Cool. I have an Angenieux 45-90mm f2.8 and am looking to sell it. It's Leica R mount, was the first Leica zoom but farmed out to Angenieux back then cos Leica didn't have the technical know how. if you are keen, let me know. The lens is in collector's condition.

I have Leica R 21mm, 90mm and 35mm as well. The 90mm is invaluable

I suppose these are C/Y? or?

The samyang 85mm has bad breathing and CA? Really? You need to check that again bro. The 35 sucks but the rest are great. Especially for the price.

the 85 has focus breathing, and horrible CA, color rendering is bad and sharpness & micro detail/contrast is no where near the Zeiss, also have fun matching colors with Samyangs lenses.

Samyangs should not be compared to Zeiss, they are in a diffrent game. Price should not be the thing to look at when buying lenses.

Ofcourse you have no problems matching colors, ofcourse there is no focus breathing, i was all telling lies to sell my glass, i need to buy these Samyangs for their super quality glass.

Leica, Contax Zeiss, ZF glass, ZE glass is bad glass, don't buy it. You can't be real on this matter, the Samyang is "OK", 85mm's lenses tend to be "Sharp as Shit", because their portrait lenses, it is "Sharp as Shit" but Sharpness does not make a lens 'good', the 'cheaper' Zeiss sonar still wins over the micro detail/contrast, also colors are better and out of focus areas are smoother, and coatings are better.

Also for a lens production companies to produce samples that are different from the other is also a reason why i don't buy them, this means that every sample has different color rendition, sharpness and quality of glass therefor colors and contrast does not match per lens.

Ofcourse zeiss also had these problems, (Jena DDR and others s#n)

More discussion, feel free to PM me.

"Samyangs should not be compared to Zeiss, they are in a diffrent game."

And what game is that, exactly? Optically, the Samyang (Walimex/Rokinon et al) lenses compare quite favourably with other top makes such as Zeiss. They are also in wide use by professionals for all kinds of applications.

There are both versions (AE and MM) from Germany and Japan. The AEs have the infamous 'Ninja' bokeh on the first two stops after WO, the MMs don't show that, have slightly less flare and can be identified by the green smallest aperture.

Well, if someone like Matthew Duclos, who knows a thing or two about lenses, is comparing them this might help:

http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/35mm-f1-4-showdown/

To be honest: I sold my Samyang and kept a C/Y Zeiss, but only since I have already too many 85 and 90mm around ;-)

The Samyang is a very nice lens for it's price, and it's cine version can hardly be beaten in price/performance by any cinefied still glass. Come on, we are not discussing master primes here!