I am using this one for quite long time.
Recommend to get better external power supply, otherwise it is very handy and very good amp.
Price: around $160 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HLLY-Mini-USB-DAC-Headphone-Amplifier-MK2-SPECIAL-/260503078087
I think this is newer variants with internal PS and newer USB chip:
Specs:
Total $89
foregive my ignorance in such matters, but what is this amp for? I mean which part does it play in the overall video/film production process?
It is high quality headphone amps, ones that you use in studio with your headphones :-)
In same time works as DAC to your studio monitors,
Check topic title.
And you can use them in home just as headphone amp. Period.
I used to use a Presonus Firebox as a headphone amp DAC and of course a recording interface.
Without the firewire plugged in it acts as a standalone preamp/DAC.
I used to use a Presonus Firebox as a headphone amp DAC and of course a recording interface.
Yes, of course. But many people really do not need all the complexity. Plus usually DACs, opamps, power design, on complex devices are worse.
Yes, of course. But many people really do not need all the complexity. Plus usually DACs, opamps, power design, on complex devices are worse.
Indeed they are. More than one of the fireboxes I had would exhibit a high pitched whine based on the sample rate when firewire was connected.
I've tested a bunch of these, for the high end I like the Mytek designs. But for the low end, small, beautifully made, with a clear, detailed sound I like this box. More than good enough for professional work:
There's a bunch of factors to consider in the DAC design, specifically whether it is really 24 bit or not--a lot of these DACs knock down the SR to 16 bit. Even some of the high end boxes fib about the bits.
But without going into the technical aspects, this is a great box for $50. Next step up are some of the musiland designs, they are very good.
I would stay away from boxes using the NEC 5532 chip, for long and complicated reasons. It can sound OK, but it often does not. This chip is the one most often replaced in an op amp upgrade. The CM6631chip is a pretty big seller in China, but as it is relatively new you may not have full driver support, so consider that. A lot of us use the Ploytec USB driver which gives low latency true ASIO for audio, other solutions, like the Musiland, use their own proprietary drivers. The box I linked to uses a OPA2132 op amps.
I used to make these with op amp sockets, so you could pop them out and try different ones, but there are now good ones available on line and I was never the best solderer.
If you want something in between the low end and the high end (and the $50 box is what I listen on most of the time), the mid level musilands are almost indistinguishable from the really expensive stuff, like this special dragon edition http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Musiland-Monitor-02-US-Dragon-USB-Sound-Card-Amplifier-DAC-/110937050590?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D320978911528%26ps%3D54
And if you want the absolute state of the art, discrete electronics, this guy makes some very good boxes that have an isolated headphone circuit, with high gain throughout, all audiophile components http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/Sparrow/SparrowEN.htm
Audio-gd stuff is mostly socketed, so you can swap out op amps and stuff. Like I said, though, the weiliang design is 24 bit, good converter and op amps, sounds good and is $50. Plus it is powered by USB.
Good stuff.
I think your post is mostly offtopic, as it is more about the DAC parts.
No such thing as "NEC 5532" exist, it is NE5532 opamp. In many professional mixers you could find huge loads of such opamps. Yep, frequently replaced by modders. But I saw how all of them failed to spot replacement in blind test :-)
In last amp, NE5532 are in sockets, and are used to save cost. Get few OPA ones at the same time and replace if you like.
The CM6631chip is a pretty big seller in China, but as it is relatively new you may not have full driver support, so consider that.
This is also strange statement. As drivers are available for download, so you must mean some exotic OSes, like Mac OSX and Linux :-).
Btw, try not ot buy something powered via USB. It can work good from one port or computer and be very bad on another.
@kronstadt A lot of ppl who work with audio want an external soundcard, which means no interference from the computer, to monitor and master the audio for CD, film, etc. It should be external, high quality, preferably neutral and detailed, without being fatiguing. Ideally, it should be 24 bit (or higher) and have ASIO driver capability. Some people like exotic sample rates, like 192 or 384, as well. ASIO allows you to bypass the internal crap in your computer so if something goes wrong, you can figure out what it is. You don't want for example the computer's mixer to be mixing away in the background. It can also give you low latency for when you are listening back to recorded sound.
Other ppl want a high quality DAC for their home stereo, or even for their TV (yes, I have one hooked up to my TV to feed a pair of speakers). Some of these have a high current speaker amp built in, so you don't need an amplifier. Some ppl just want a $50 box that makes their music sound better and could care less about the rest of it.
@Vitaliy yes, that is a typo, the NE5532 opamp is the one most often replaced to for example upgrade a mic preamp or a DAC. As you say, it can sound good, but I have personally AB'ed with other op amps and I think there are better ones. I socketed a DAC and tried different opamps, and there is a small difference in the transparency. Just my opinion. The Fostex FR2 LE has 5532's in there, and it sounds great, so part of it is the design, for sure.
The driver issue is a big issue for me in Windows, I don't know about Macs. Musiland has its own ASIO drivers, and even these are not 100 percent foolproof. RME drivers are pretty much foolproof. There is quite a market in "borrowing" drivers from other companies and chipsets, but they don't always work properly. If you are not using ASIO, and you don't care about the 24 bit issue, most of these will work with the windows drivers natively.
If you have a Windows solution for the drivers that I don't know about, I would love to see it, I use the musiland and RME drivers. I don't check the market for drivers very often.
@DrDave thanks for the detailed explanation. Now it makes sense. I'm guessing sound-editors and sound-mixers have something like this as a part of their editing computer.
Now it makes sense. I'm guessing sound-editors and sound-mixers have something like this as a part of their editing computer.
:-) Not sound editors only. If you use something like HD600, good amlifier is almost required.
Fiio E07K
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000012071912&MenuID=105026002
It can be use with the Fiio E09k.
89$ in Amazon
Fiio Olympus E10
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000028262517&MenuID=105026003
71$ in Amazon
They seems to get good reviews and good price. Does anybody have tried any of these?
Does anybody have tried any of these?
They are popular, but mostly for portable apps.
Bigger amps are usually just much more handy as stationary solutions.
@Vitaliy_Kiselev I dont have much knowledge about this kind of devices...which are the advantages of bigger amps over this models? I think the ones that you suggest above are not shipped to Spain... does anybody recommend a good option in the 80$ price range?
I think the ones that you suggest above are not shipped to Spain... does anybody recommend a good option in the 80$ price range?
If you want stationary amp Fiio is just not handy, being to small, too few inputs/outputs, not handy volume, etc. In Fiio specs they recommend max 100 Ohm headphones, many good ones can be as high as 600 Ohms.
I think the ones that you suggest above are not shipped to Spain... does anybody recommend a good option in the 80$ price range?
I think SMSL amps are cheapest. About Spain, always ask seller personally. I also think that $80 range is too low, as it is best to have good amp with enough inputs and outputs, and at $80 usually many things are absent and amplifier power is low.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=SMSL+SD-650&_sop=15
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=HA+info+DA1&_sop=15
As I said above, I use AUNE ala
More modern AUNE is
Breeze audio referenced above at aliexpress - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FA056B-AC-220V-24bit-192K-Hi-Fi-Audio-Preamp-CM6631-WM8740-TPA6120-USB-Headphone-Amplifier/745628479.html
I think SMSL SD-650 is something around absolute minimum.
Thanks a lot for the information. I am going to buy the Superlux HD-660 headphones for monitoring and I was thinking that it doesnt make much sense to spend a lot more in a DAC. I was thinking about getting the one that @drdave recommend (HIFI NEW Version DAC Decoder TE7022 CS4398 24Bit/96Khz USB) but for a little more the Fiio E10 seemed more polite.
Anyway i'll check these options...
I am going to buy the Superlux HD-660 headphones for monitoring and I was thinking that it doesnt make much sense to spend a lot more in a DAC. I was thinking about getting the one that @drdave recommend (HIFI NEW Version DAC Decoder TE7022 CS4398 24Bit/96Khz USB) but for a little more the Fiio E10 seemed more polite.
Get my good advice. Get better headphones and get good headphone amp so it will last.
For cheap headphones I suggest Takstar (use search here, we have topics).
Btw, cheapest suitable thing I can find is http://www.aliexpress.com/item/YJ-AD1955-WM8805-PCM2706-fiber-coaxial-USB-DAC-Headphone-amplifier-board/1523914137.html
@Vitaliy_Kiselev The impedance they recommend are higher:
Fiio Olympus E10: "Suitable for the headphone impedance 16-300Ohms"
Fiio E07k: "Headphone impedance (Recommended): 16-150Ohms"
Fiio E09k: "Suitable headphone impedance range is: 16-600Ohms"
@Vitaliy_Kiselev sorry for being off-topic but then, do you think that the sennheiser 280 pro (or the 380 pro) are good enough?
OK, I just referenced first I saw In items descriptions.
Let me explain, forums problem is that frequently asking for advice people come with their own decision in head and contrary to personal talk it is hard to spot initially sometimes. :-)
do you think that the sennheiser 280 pro (or the 380 pro) are good enough?
I do not know. Closed phones usually are not best choice anyways.
If you ask me, I'll go SMSL SD-650 + Taskstar TS-671. And later, looking for some time to get good price at german ebay and such will get Philips Fidelio X1 phones.
Well we like to think that we are totally rational and that we always take best objective decisions but we are not... and obviously this is reflected in forums. Anyway I really appreciate the feedback I get... even when I ignore it :-)
About the headphones, i am going to use them mainly to monitor the audio I am recording from an external recording, so they must be closed to be able to do this task properly. Furthermore, as they are suppose to be kind of good quality, I pretend to use them sometimes connected to my computer (while editing or hearing music...) through a DAC.
Furthermore, as they are suppose to be kind of good quality, I pretend to use them sometimes connected to my computer (while editing or hearing music...) through a DAC.
OK. In this case Takstar Pro 80 or Takstar TS-670 is that you need. :-) I did not checked later, but they use TS-671 constructive, just closed ones.
But get my advice, get TS-671 also. It is the most comfortable headphones I ever had and with most open sound, and I have not small number.
Btw, just checked latest Topping offering is D3, not D2
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=Topping+D3&catId=&initiative_id=SB_20131208150912
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