http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hWdSR16siJ164xpCbH0NsFhv15uw?docId=7083136

@kainekainekaine

As far as I remember US is going to ban normal citizens from growing any vegetables (or they already did that).

@svart

Sepsis is similar, as it is wrong reaction of organism to, sometimes, very slight disturbance. In this case, in blood system, also leading to organs failures.

>Sepsis is part of the problem for sure. As more toxin is released your body motivates more immune response which releases more toxin, which invokes more immune response, etc.

I have some expirience with it. On one my kins had it.

LOL, there's no way the US could ban the average citizen from growing vegetables. They could ban them from selling them without inspection or permits, for a number of reasons (i.e. "pesticide-free" vegetables actually grown with pesticides/chemicals; contamination with waste products from fertilizers, etc.)

The plain and simple truth is that bacteria are everywhere in nature and some are harmful. Some, like e. coli come in good varieties (the kind that normally live in your gut) and bad varieties (the kind that kill you). Contaminated vegetables are fairly common, particularly in salad bars if people with dirty hands hands touch the vegetables or the vegetables aren't washed.

Most likely, the source of this contamination will come back to contaminated fertilizer which got the bacteria into the vegetables, and this in turn contaminated the vegetable processing plant. Thus, it is critical to identify the source of the contamination, so that further vegetables don't get contaminated. As for washing, that can be effective if the bacteria are on the outside, but won't be if the bacteria are in the interior.

I laugh at the idea that e coli are harmless, simply because they are living creatures. A lion is a living creature, but it'll eat you if you find a hungry lion. Basically, this strain of e.coli produces a toxin, which binds to intestinal cell walls and causes dysentery. Your body isn't creating these toxins; the e. coli are. Even if your body didn't kill bacteria, just these bacteria dividing and dying would poison you.

We had a situation in Oakland, California that was something like that, but it can't be generalized to the whole U.S.

But better yet, just find any number of farmer's markets on a weekend, and you'll know there's no risk of stopping people from growing their own vegetables here in the U.S.

>My Home Owners Association (HOA) will prevent me from growing vegetables in my own garden.

Hmm...
Democracy, my ass.

Funny thing is that I know how to grow fruits, vegetables in details and can even live from it :-)
As in Russia many get big amount of vegetables in fruits from their own garden.
For example, 95-97% of potato is from personal or small fields (and we had 3x rise in potato price last year because of it :-) )
It is more like tradition now, as gasoline sometimes cost more then all the vegetables :-)

Actually Vitaliy, HOA's (which are small neighborhood associations, nearly all private not public) usually are elected, but the problem is that almost nobody wants to participate in running the HOA, so a few people get to dictate how the rest live through badly worded bylaws. Some HOA's are good and well-run; others are poorly run. Just like any other forms of government. Until they upset enough people to kick them out, HOA leadership at a particularly location usually stays in place for quite some time. People tend to get the kind of government they deserve (e.g. the kind of government they're willing to tolerate).

If Stonebat doesn't like it, he can either act to try to amend the bylaws, change the leadership, or even move away.

Anyway, the German gov't is claiming contaminated sprouts as the cause; the U.S. Centers for Disease Control are skeptical, as there is no confirmed DNA match between the e.coli causing the sickness and anything found with the sprout farm. The drama continues.